FL: Resource That Shows Which SR's Were Primary vs Secondary?

[Brian556]

Is there a resource that definitively tells you whether a state route (in pre-1977 times) was secondary or primary?

Unfortunately, the General Highway Maps don't have this distinction. I thought of that fact that they have FAS on some routes, but that's not definitive.
USGS Topo maps are inconsistent; some years have show the "s", and other years don't; not all areas are covered by all years.
Wikipedia does not have this either. I wish it did.
Some private maps have this, but I don't have one for the area that I currently need data for.

[NE2]

I've got nothing, except a few FDOT county maps that show the difference:
*Collier http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017243/00001/1x?vo=32 http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00017243/00001/2x?vo=32
*Lee (I have a paper copy)
*Leon http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00015648/00001/1x?vo=32
*Suwannee http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016368/00001/1x?vo=32

Is it possible that http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00015270/00001/1x?vo=3 shows the primary routes and only the primary routes? It doesn't agree with the county maps, but perhaps there were changes.

[florida]

What area do you need data?

Generally, the section number of each roadway will tell if it was a primary or secondary. The first two numbers are the county numbers, then the third number being a 0-4 means it was Primary, and a 5-9 is Secondary.

I do have FDOT's copies of primary and secondary maps made in the 80s so let me know what you need help with.

[Brian556]

quote from florida:

What area do you need data?

Lake County. I am working on highway history maps of the area. Some of the major roads were obviously primary, but it's some of the less-important roads that I need info on.

Also, concerning CR 44A (and part of CR 44)( the one that was the original SR 21 going E from Eustis), I can't find any maps that call it SR 44A. The general highway maps made before 1977 do not show it having a designation. I need to know if this was ever SR 44A.

Thanks for any help that you may give.
--Brian

[NE2]

Also, concerning CR 44A (and part of CR 44)( the one that was the original SR 21 going E from Eustis), I can't find any maps that call it SR 44A. The general highway maps made before 1977 do not show it having a designation. I need to know if this was ever SR 44A.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/SurveyingAndMapping/rowmap/d5index/Lake/Lake1972.pdf
The (January) 1972 date looks right, comparing it to my revised 1978 copy that has 44-46-46A-435 changed to solid lines. On the other sheet, the only changes since the May 1971 printing are 25-530 dualled and 455 changed to a solid line.

Generally, the section number of each roadway will tell if it was a primary or secondary. The first two numbers are the county numbers, then the third number being a 0-4 means it was Primary, and a 5-9 is Secondary.

Interesting. I'm not sure how well this is followed; CR 455 for example changes from 11508000 to 11180000 at SR 561A. But maybe that's correct - Leon County matches the changes on 59 and 155 shown on the 1985 county map.

Here's a quick and dirty map of central Florida using that rule (floor("ROADWAY"/100000)-10*floor("ROADWAY"/1000000) to get the digit in QGIS):


I wouldn't use this as a reliable method of determining what was secondary (even cleaned up to remove routes that didn't exist in that era), but it's an interesting factoid.

[Brian556]

Noticed something...north of Groveland...S-478...which other maps show to have ended along the northern shores of Cherry Lake...is shown on this map to have gone over to US 27.

Also, in Tavares/Mt Dora, it shows S-452 going farther east than other maps do, reconnecting to OLD 441

[NE2]

Noticed something...north of Groveland...S-478...which other maps show to have ended along the northern shores of Cherry Lake...is shown on this map to have gone over to US 27.

Also, in Tavares/Mt Dora, it shows S-452 going farther east than other maps do, reconnecting to OLD 441

FDOT shapefiles are not necessarily accurate for county roads.

[florida]

Generally, the section number of each roadway will tell if it was a primary or secondary. The first two numbers are the county numbers, then the third number being a 0-4 means it was Primary, and a 5-9 is Secondary.

Interesting. I'm not sure how well this is followed; CR 455 for example changes from 11508000 to 11180000 at SR 561A. But maybe that's correct - Leon County matches the changes on 59 and 155 shown on the 1985 county map.

I wouldn't use this as a reliable method of determining what was secondary (even cleaned up to remove routes that didn't exist in that era), but it's an interesting factoid.

It's a general 'rule'. There are different types of section numbers, for example...

--BAY FHWA‐ER 46000010 CR 2337 SHERMAN AVE

That's former SR 389A. All I know of this is 46 being Bay County's number and the "000010" is not part of the 'rule' because it is a 'refurbished' section number. A lot of 4di county routes use these types of numbers with emphasis on three middle zeroes and three last numbers; some normal county routes have had section numbers changed, too. Volusia County has these last three numbers going into the 300s and Hillsborough into the 600s. This may have been done since the late 1980s or 1990s.

-- BAY FHWA‐ER 46060000 SR 77 OHIO AVE
-- BAY FHWA‐ER 46060001 SR 77 OHIO AV

Again, the first two numbers are the county number, next three are the section number and the last ones differ because anything ending in a "0000" is the base alignment. Most anything ending in "0001" (and up to 0009, including other wacky listings like 0347) are either realignments, extensions, or spurs. So the second listing of SR 77 is the realigned portion in Lynn Haven, it rejoins the base alignment at each end.


--ESCAMBIA FHWA‐ER 48070000 SR 291 N DAVIS HWY
--ESCAMBIA FHWA‐ER 48070101 SR 291 MLK DR

-- HILLSBOROUGH FHWA‐ER 10030101 US 92 SR 600 W BAKER ST 0.752 SR‐39/N WHEELER ST 1.782 W
-- HILLSBOROUGH FHWA‐ER 10030102 US 92 SR 600 HILLSBOROUGH AVE 0.000 ORIENT RD 1.755 LT=EUREKA
-- HILLSBOROUGH FHWA‐ER 10030103 US 92 SR 600 E US HWY 92 0.000 LT=GARDEN LN AND RT=EUREKA SPRINGS


Here is how you tell most one-way pairs. The southbound and westbound pairs generally will have a "101", "102" or even a "103" at the end, BUT! it all depends on the county. Monroe and Miami-Dade use the 'extension rule' for one-way pairs.


Concerning CR 455 and two different section numbers. When CR 455 was SR 455, half of it was Primary and half was Secondary. This was commonplace back in the day.