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hey NE2
« on: February 20, 2015, 08:09:08 AM »

I have a project for you. Since you're probably the most knowledgeable person on this forum, I'm sure you can figure it out of anyone can: the original southern terminus of US 271. This blog I wrote a few years ago should explain everything.

http://bugo348.blogspot.com/

If you get to the bottom of it you'll win a rainbow unicorn dinosaur.
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 08:22:46 AM »

Do us all a favor and fuck off.

I'd put the de facto end at the state line. Arkansas obviously didn't recognize it (hence 8 and 88, not US 271).

I just noticed the 1931 Fort Smith inset shows US 266 instead of the other end of US 271. What. (Since it was inside Fort Smith city limits, the state didn't touch it until 1941.)
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 08:42:34 AM »

This
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/1926us.jpg
would disagree.

What is the deal with US 71 and US 371? What are the odds they would make two mapos on the same road in just a few years?
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 09:46:17 AM »

This
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/1926us.jpg
would disagree.
That's what AASHO approved. Arkansas apparently didn't want it.

Anyway, that map appears to show it ending somewhere around Potter (if the roads are drawn correctly wrt the rivers), but it's too imprecise to be sure (the dot for Mena looks more like Acorn). Going by the erased lines on the 1925-35 Polk County map, that would put the original 71/271 split here. But this may be reading too much into a map that was made without adequate local surveys. And even if Arkansas had wanted to sign it, they'd probably temporarily send it to Acorn, since there was no road north from Big Cedar, OK.

Which is the exact endpoint you sent to Dale Sanderson. That makes two independent analyses that agree.


Finally, on the Oklahoma side, http://digitalprairie.ok.gov/cdm/ref/collection/okresources/id/14188 page 42 includes project S. 327 from Heavener to Oklahoma on modern US 270, which was "surveyed and on which plans have been completed during the years of 1925 and 1926". My guess is that the BPR drew it incorrectly, probably based on an earlier federal aid map. Note that on the Arkansas side, only the southern route (modern AR 8) existed in 1924, but the northern route was added before the September 1925 issue of Arkansas Highways magazine.

So the de facto location of the split, if we consider it to have entered Arkansas, was probably at the Mena Mountain Resort, with US 71 going northeast on CR 76E. (Note the location of the flag for 8 section 1 on the 1925-35 map, as well as the alignments on the 1929 county map.)
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 10:33:01 PM »


I just noticed the 1931 Fort Smith inset shows US 266 instead of the other end of US 271. What. (Since it was inside Fort Smith city limits, the state didn't touch it until 1941.)

Got a pic of that? I have a 33, but not a 31
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 11:10:23 PM »

Do us all a favor and fuck off.
Saw the title of the thread, came here for this quote, leaving satisfied, etc.
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 12:29:52 AM »


I just noticed the 1931 Fort Smith inset shows US 266 instead of the other end of US 271. What. (Since it was inside Fort Smith city limits, the state didn't touch it until 1941.)

Got a pic of that? I have a 33, but not a 31

http://www.arkansashighways.com/planning_research/mapping_graphics/archived_tourist_maps/archived_tourist_maps.aspx
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2015, 09:39:15 AM »

Perhaps 266 was originally planned to continue across Oklahoma to US 71?
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Re: hey NE2
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2015, 09:56:09 AM »

Perhaps 266 was originally planned to continue across Oklahoma to US 71?
Probably; the route it would have taken is obvious.
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