New York

[cockroachking]

In the latest mile-based exit renumbering news, the contract for Cross County Pkwy has been advertised. The contract will be let in 4 weeks (March 13) and is scheduled to take 2 construction seasons. Most of the sign work itself is scheduled to be taking place during season 2, so that would likely mean the new numbers will show up mid-late 2026.

Exit renumbering is as follows:
1 > 0A
2 > 0B
3 > 1A
4S > 1B
4N > 1C
5 > 1D
6 > 2A
7 > 2B
8 > 2C
9 > 3A
10 > 3B

PDF of Plansheets

Well the bids for this contract last year ended up getting rejected (only 2 bids and both were way over the EE). It is being re-let on March 26, with the contract documents being published on February 25. Contract documents can be found at this link, once published next week. I expect the schedule will remain the same, with everything just bumped back a year.

Eesh.  Relets haven't "worked" to bring construction costs down over the past couple of years.  If anything, the bids come in even higher half of the time...which raises questions about collusion in my mind, but wonder what they'll do down there for this contract if the relet ends up "failing."

(personal opinion emphasized)

Looks like the estimate is higher this time around. Though if it gets Case II'ed again (more than 15% over EE), I bet it gets awarded anyway.

FWIW I have only seen successful re-lets, but they are fairly rare around here. Usually they end up getting awarded the first time anyway, most of the time due to inaccurate estimates.

(personal opinion emphasized)

[Rothman]

In the latest mile-based exit renumbering news, the contract for Cross County Pkwy has been advertised. The contract will be let in 4 weeks (March 13) and is scheduled to take 2 construction seasons. Most of the sign work itself is scheduled to be taking place during season 2, so that would likely mean the new numbers will show up mid-late 2026.

Exit renumbering is as follows:
1 > 0A
2 > 0B
3 > 1A
4S > 1B
4N > 1C
5 > 1D
6 > 2A
7 > 2B
8 > 2C
9 > 3A
10 > 3B

PDF of Plansheets

Well the bids for this contract last year ended up getting rejected (only 2 bids and both were way over the EE). It is being re-let on March 26, with the contract documents being published on February 25. Contract documents can be found at this link, once published next week. I expect the schedule will remain the same, with everything just bumped back a year.

Eesh.  Relets haven't "worked" to bring construction costs down over the past couple of years.  If anything, the bids come in even higher half of the time...which raises questions about collusion in my mind, but wonder what they'll do down there for this contract if the relet ends up "failing."

(personal opinion emphasized)

Looks like the estimate is higher this time around. Though if it gets Case II'ed again (more than 15% over EE), I bet it gets awarded anyway.

FWIW I have only seen successful re-lets, but they are fairly rare around here. Usually they end up getting awarded the first time anyway, most of the time due to inaccurate estimates.

(personal opinion emphasized)

So, if the bids are high...raise the EE. Why does this sound like a terrible game of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?

I guess I'm in the camp of just paying up with the first go-round. 

And government agencies are forced to operate under the assumption that contracting out is cheaper than redeveloping the in-house capabilities they used to have...I mean, replacing bridges is one thing, but OSS/signage contracts enter a gray area in my mind...

(personal opinion emphasized)

[The Ghostbuster]

I'm glad the Cross County Parkway is getting the conversion to mileage-based exits. Also, will this be the first instance in New York State where there will be an Exit 0?

[kalvado]

I'm glad the Cross County Parkway is getting the conversion to mileage-based exits. Also, will this be the first instance in New York State where there will be an Exit 0?

A clear example of why uncompromising insistence on mileage based is a bad idea ..

[vdeane]

I'm glad the Cross County Parkway is getting the conversion to mileage-based exits. Also, will this be the first instance in New York State where there will be an Exit 0?

A clear example of why uncompromising insistence on mileage based is a bad idea ..

What's wrong with exit 0?  I know the suffixes on NY 481 and BL 81 would certainly be more consistent if Region 3 used it!

In any case, you know a road has too many exits if even km-based exit numbers would have suffixes!

1 (0A): 0A
2 (0B): 0B
3 (1A): 1
4S (1B): 2A
4N (1C): 2B
5 (1D): 2C
6 (2A): 3A/3 (or just 3)
7 (2B): 3B (or 4)
8 (2C): 5A/5
9 (3A): 5B
10 (3B): 6

[kalvado]

I'm glad the Cross County Parkway is getting the conversion to mileage-based exits. Also, will this be the first instance in New York State where there will be an Exit 0?

A clear example of why uncompromising insistence on mileage based is a bad idea ..

What's wrong with exit 0?  I know the suffixes on NY 481 and BL 81 would certainly be more consistent if Region 3 used it!

In any case, you know a road has too many exits if even km-based exit numbers would have suffixes!

1 (0A): 0A
2 (0B): 0B
3 (1A): 1
4S (1B): 2A
4N (1C): 2B
5 (1D): 2C
6 (2A): 3A/3 (or just 3)
7 (2B): 3B (or 4)
8 (2C): 5A/5
9 (3A): 5B
10 (3B): 6

It's just an alphabet soup..

[D-Dey65]

I'm sure this will be transferred to some other board, but I have to ask.

Does anybody here see this railroad bridge?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Railroad_Overpass.jpg
It's the one-lane bridge for the main road within the Stony Point Battlefield State Historic Park.

I'm not calling for a replacement (though a new parking field west of the bridge would be good). I just want to know when it was built.

[pderocco]

I'm sure this will be transferred to some other board, but I have to ask.

Does anybody here see this railroad bridge?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Railroad_Overpass.jpg
It's the one-lane bridge for the main road within the Stony Point Battlefield State Historic Park.

I'm not calling for a replacement (though a new parking field west of the bridge would be good). I just want to know when it was built.

You'd think they were expecting a train to go over that bridge, not under it.

[The Ghostbuster]

That would be this bridge, right?: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Stony+Point+Park+Bridge/@41.2410604,-73.9767653,3a,75y,95.3h,66.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1b8UAX5CCs0gxOKxvzDofg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D23.977533683697743%26panoid%3D1b8UAX5CCs0gxOKxvzDofg%26yaw%3D95.30153972230228!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c2c50017d54dc3:0x948bf8c686a4276f!8m2!3d41.2410619!4d-73.9767301!16s%2Fg%2F11vql6yqwp?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

[D-Dey65]

That would be this bridge, right?: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Stony+Point+Park+Bridge/@41.2410604,-73.9767653,3a,75y,95.3h,66.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1b8UAX5CCs0gxOKxvzDofg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D23.977533683697743%26panoid%3D1b8UAX5CCs0gxOKxvzDofg%26yaw%3D95.30153972230228!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c2c50017d54dc3:0x948bf8c686a4276f!8m2!3d41.2410619!4d-73.9767301!16s%2Fg%2F11vql6yqwp?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D.

That's it.

[D-Dey65]

In the latest mile-based exit renumbering news, the contract for Cross County Pkwy has been advertised. The contract will be let in 4 weeks (March 13) and is scheduled to take 2 construction seasons. Most of the sign work itself is scheduled to be taking place during season 2, so that would likely mean the new numbers will show up mid-late 2026.

Exit renumbering is as follows:
1 > 0A
2 > 0B
3 > 1A
4S > 1B
4N > 1C
5 > 1D
6 > 2A
7 > 2B
8 > 2C
9 > 3A
10 > 3B

PDF of Plansheets

I still regret joining the chorus to add mileage-based exits on Hutchinson River Parkway, and judging by the numbers here, I'm not looking forward for them on the Cross County Parkway either.

More real interchanges on the Saw Mill River Parkway though would still be a good idea.

A short road like the Cross County Parkway doesn't really need exit numbers to begin with.

Don't forge though, the road was supposed to be longer.

[D-Dey65]

Another railroad bridge I have to ask about. When was it abandoned?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2549143,-73.796973,205m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
That's the Ferry Road Bridge north of the old New York Central Railroad station used by Amtrak in Hudson.

[pderocco]

Another railroad bridge I have to ask about. When was it abandoned?
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2549143,-73.796973,205m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMwMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
That's the Ferry Road Bridge north of the old New York Central Railroad station used by Amtrak in Hudson.

Some time between Sept 2013 and July 2015, according to Google Earth imagery. It appears to be wooden planks, which are probably ready to cave in. Given that the other access is a grade crossing, it would seem preferable to fix the bridge. But perhaps there are plans to do that. Can't be very expensive.

[D-Dey65]

^

How did you get that? Because neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is showing me anything before July 2018.

[pderocco]

^

How did you get that? Because neither Google Maps nor Google Earth is showing me anything before July 2018.

I'm talking about aerial imagery, not street view. You can see some cones put up on each side of the bridge.

[crispy93]

I took a hike in Cold Spring yesterday and took 9D from 301, through the Breakneck Ridge tunnel, up to Beacon. They're building the Fjord Trail along the river, and widened 9D slightly to allow shoulder parking at Breakneck.

Looks like they eliminated the passing zone next to the railroad tracks, installed a HAWK beacon south of the tunnel (Cornish Estate trail, might be the first HAWK in the Hudson Valley), reduced the limit from 55 to 40, and widened the shoulder north of the tunnel.

My only complaint is how poorly the new speed limit is signed. There is no "NEW Speed Limit 40" in either direction; at one point, I was going 55 and assumed the "END 40 speed" sign fell down, as they often do.  Once past the hiking area, there is no "End 40" sign, but in the southbound direction, the 55 sign is still there, so the (now very short) 55 zone still exists. Then the limit goes to 45 approaching Beacon, and finally 30 at the city limit.

[vdeane]

NYSDOT is looking at potentially restoring two lanes onto the ramp from I-87 south to I-90 west (exit 1W, I-87 mainline) and changing the curve geometry for 50 mph speeds as part of a bridge project in that interchange.  Construction would begin in 2029 on the bridge project; TBD on whether the ramp realignment/widening would be included (and it could be further modified even if it is).  See the presentation given to the MPO on YouTube for more information.

[Rothman]

NYSDOT is looking at potentially restoring two lanes onto the ramp from I-87 south to I-90 west (exit 1W, I-87 mainline) and changing the curve geometry for 50 mph speeds as part of a bridge project in that interchange.  Construction would begin in 2029 on the bridge project; TBD on whether the ramp realignment/widening would be included (and it could be further modified even if it is).  See the presentation given to the MPO on YouTube for more information.

"POSSIBLY RECONSTRUCT"

It's been kicking around for decades and a lot of informal muttering has been happening that the ramps were reversed in terms of capacity from I-87 south to I-90.  I'll believe it when I see it.

[ElishaGOtis]

I know I'm not the first to ask this, but I was reading the bill for the Stop Super Speeders Act and I'm rather confused by its application.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S4045/amendment/C

THE TRIBUNAL SHALL ORDER THE INSTALLMENT OF AN INTELLIGENT SPEED  ASSISTANCE DEVICE IN ANY MOTOR VEHICLE OWNED OR OPERATED BY SUCH PERSON FOR A MINIMUM PERIOD  OF  TIME AS PRESCRIBED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (III) OF THIS PARAGRAPH.

Am understanding this correctly that if someone gets (whatever the number of) speed camera tickets issued, then the registered owner of the vehicle (regardless of who is driving the vehicle) must install an ISA device on EVERY vehicle they own? The 6 or 16 camera tickets thing confuses me, because the summary states 6, but the text states 16.

Even if it is 16, that seems... extreme... borderline collective punishment if your family all has co-ownership and someone in your family is being a total doofus driving around. As if $1000+ in fines wasn't enough...

I have less of an issue with the 11+ points, but even then, is that 11 points for SPEED violations or 11 points for ANY violation?

Not to mention my usual question with these ISA laws... how does it work if you go out of state, like to say Texas SH-130?


Also, with half of the NY Senate co-sponsoring this bill and Gov. Hochul endorsing this bill, there's a -10000% chance we'll see 70+mph speed limits in this state anytime soon, especially given there was no compromise provision in this ISA bill... the speed limit cap law in NY is probably one of the harshest I've seen tbh ("Notwithstanding any other provision of law" good golly... the entirety of §1180A just seems like a desperate holdover from the NMSL).
   

[kalvado]

I know I'm not the first to ask this, but I was reading the bill for the Stop Super Speeders Act and I'm rather confused by its application.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S4045/amendment/C

THE TRIBUNAL SHALL ORDER THE INSTALLMENT OF AN INTELLIGENT SPEED  ASSISTANCE DEVICE IN ANY MOTOR VEHICLE OWNED OR OPERATED BY SUCH PERSON FOR A MINIMUM PERIOD  OF  TIME AS PRESCRIBED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (III) OF THIS PARAGRAPH.

Am understanding this correctly that if someone gets (whatever the number of) speed camera tickets issued, then the registered owner of the vehicle (regardless of who is driving the vehicle) must install an ISA device on EVERY vehicle they own? The 6 or 16 camera tickets thing confuses me, because the summary states 6, but the text states 16.

Even if it is 16, that seems... extreme... borderline collective punishment if your family all has co-ownership and someone in your family is being a total doofus driving around. As if $1000+ in fines wasn't enough...

I have less of an issue with the 11+ points, but even then, is that 11 points for SPEED violations or 11 points for ANY violation?

Not to mention my usual question with these ISA laws... how does it work if you go out of state, like to say Texas SH-130?


Also, with half of the NY Senate co-sponsoring this bill and Gov. Hochul endorsing this bill, there's a -10000% chance we'll see 70+mph speed limits in this state anytime soon, especially given there was no compromise provision in this ISA bill... the speed limit cap law in NY is probably one of the harshest I've seen tbh ("Notwithstanding any other provision of law" good golly... the entirety of §1180A just seems like a desperate holdover from the NMSL).
   

Frankly speaking, NYS legislature turns into a mindless law printer.
For one, current budget budget contains provisions all but criminalizing 3d printing - you would need fingerprinting and background check to buy one.

With that, looks like there is an ample number of crazy drivers on the road, and limited police interest in enforcing that - even in upstate. What I hear is that NYC was approaching anarchy.

[ElishaGOtis]

I know I'm not the first to ask this, but I was reading the bill for the Stop Super Speeders Act and I'm rather confused by its application.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/S4045/amendment/C

THE TRIBUNAL SHALL ORDER THE INSTALLMENT OF AN INTELLIGENT SPEED  ASSISTANCE DEVICE IN ANY MOTOR VEHICLE OWNED OR OPERATED BY SUCH PERSON FOR A MINIMUM PERIOD  OF  TIME AS PRESCRIBED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (III) OF THIS PARAGRAPH.

Am understanding this correctly that if someone gets (whatever the number of) speed camera tickets issued, then the registered owner of the vehicle (regardless of who is driving the vehicle) must install an ISA device on EVERY vehicle they own? The 6 or 16 camera tickets thing confuses me, because the summary states 6, but the text states 16.

Even if it is 16, that seems... extreme... borderline collective punishment if your family all has co-ownership and someone in your family is being a total doofus driving around. As if $1000+ in fines wasn't enough...

I have less of an issue with the 11+ points, but even then, is that 11 points for SPEED violations or 11 points for ANY violation?

Not to mention my usual question with these ISA laws... how does it work if you go out of state, like to say Texas SH-130?


Also, with half of the NY Senate co-sponsoring this bill and Gov. Hochul endorsing this bill, there's a -10000% chance we'll see 70+mph speed limits in this state anytime soon, especially given there was no compromise provision in this ISA bill... the speed limit cap law in NY is probably one of the harshest I've seen tbh ("Notwithstanding any other provision of law" good golly... the entirety of §1180A just seems like a desperate holdover from the NMSL).
   

Frankly speaking, NYS legislature turns into a mindless law printer.
For one, current budget budget contains provisions all but criminalizing 3d printing - you would need fingerprinting and background check to buy one.

With that, looks like there is an ample number of crazy drivers on the road, and limited police interest in enforcing that - even in upstate. What I hear is that NYC was approaching anarchy.

Staying on the topic of transportation, I saw them toying around with definitions in a couple bills, such as defining "in motion" with regards to the hands free law as being any time that the parking brake isn't on, or defining a "saliva test" as including a field sobriety test pertaining to DUI.

[webny99]

Off-topic as I didn't think this warranted its own thread...

I-490 is getting all new signage between Exits 6 and 9 and from what is visible so far, it looks like it will be very well done with some long-overdue upgrades:

• Exit 8 WB sequencing is changing from 3/4 mile & 1/4 mile to 1 mile & 1/2 mile (plus presumably changing from diagrammaticals to APL's)
• Exit 7 WB is no longer using Gates Center as a control city and using Buffalo Rd instead (see photo below) - so we could have a unique situation here with Buffalo appearing on all three sign panels!
• I couldn't tell for sure, but based on the shoulder work going on, I wonder if this sign for Exit 6 EB and the 3/4 mile advance for Exit 7 in the background will be combined onto a single overhead sign, with the advance for Exit 7 changing to 1 mile
• Brockport and Spencerport are being added to EB signage for Exit 7B. I didn't get a photo, but the replacement for this sign lists both Brockport and Spencerport.
• The first two advance signs for Exit 9 EB are being replaced. There's no need for APL's here, but the Airport/Greece control cities will presumably be added.

Here's a photo from yesterday of the new sign for Exit 7A EB. The 7A looks a little weird and it would have been nice to somehow incorporate "Exit Only", but the "Exit 30 MPH" banner isn't bad, and this is a major upgrade overall.

[vdeane]

Brockport and Spencerport are being added to EB signage for Exit 7B. I didn't get a photo, but the replacement for this sign lists both Brockport and Spencerport.

From what I remember from the plans, it appears that Brockport and Spencerport will only be on that side, and the signs from I-490 itself will just say Buffalo Road like the other direction.

[webny99]

Brockport and Spencerport are being added to EB signage for Exit 7B. I didn't get a photo, but the replacement for this sign lists both Brockport and Spencerport.

From what I remember from the plans, it appears that Brockport and Spencerport will only be on that side, and the signs from I-490 itself will just say Buffalo Road like the other direction.

That would make sense, as it would be a bit unusual for NYSDOT to list two control cities plus a road name. Are those plans publicly available?

[webny99]

Are those plans publicly available?

Scratch that - I was able to find the plans. Overall, some good, some bad  

The good:
-Addition of Buffalo Rd to most* Exit 7 signage in both directions.
-Removal of the EB I-490 pull-through at Exit 7B.
-Addition of Airport/Greece to the second advance signs for Exit 9.
-The replacement of this disaster being included in the project.

The bad:

I couldn't tell for sure, but based on the shoulder work going on, I wonder if this sign for Exit 6 EB and the 3/4 mile advance for Exit 7 in the background will be combined onto a single overhead sign, with the advance for Exit 7 changing to 1 mile

*I jinxed it. Not only is this not happening, the 3/4 mile advance for Exit 7 seems to be remaining exactly as-is, with no mention of Brockport/Spencerport or Buffalo Rd. Unless I missed it, no EB supplementary sign for Brockport/Spencerport either.
-Bizarrely, the 1-mile advance for Exit 9 also seems to be remaining as-is without the Airport/Greece control cities.

Other:
-It would have been nice to get a 1/2 mile advance for Exit 7 on the ramp from Exit 8, à la I-390/I-590 for I-390 Exit 16.