New York

[vdeane]

The good:
-Addition of Buffalo Rd to most* Exit 7 signage in both directions.
-Removal of the EB I-490 pull-through at Exit 7B.
-Addition of Airport/Greece to the second advance signs for Exit 9.
-The replacement of this disaster being included in the project.

I'm also excited for the inclusion of exit tabs for exit 8 on the WB APLs.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Oh look, a podcast done by NYSDOT on the Reimagining I-787 project!

[vdeane]

What is it with Region 4 and exit gore signs getting bad replacements?  First we had the one with the missing suffix and bad font, then the one with no number at all, and now we have another with no number at all on I-590 north at I-490 (should say exit 5; honestly, at this point fully half the signs for that exit have no number and the APL has the tab positioned in an odd enough way that it feels like an afterthought, as if Region 4 isn't always aware that this exit has a number).  Between this, the weird leftover signage from when the Irondequoit Bay Bridge was weight restricted, and the gradual disappearance of not just tenth mile markers, but mile markers period (and inconsistent way they've been addressed in projects), I'm starting to think Region 4 might be in the same league as Regions 7 and 9 in terms of signage quality.  Maybe even worse.

[webny99]

now we have another with no number at all on I-590 north at I-490 (should say exit 5;

Which one is that? The new APL at the gore point has an Exit 5 tab, and I wasn't aware of any others being replaced.

[vdeane]

now we have another with no number at all on I-590 north at I-490 (should say exit 5;

Which one is that? The new APL at the gore point has an Exit 5 tab, and I wasn't aware of any others being replaced.

The exit gore sign itself.  This beautiful sign is gone.  It now looks like this one.

[webny99]

Which one is that? The new APL at the gore point has an Exit 5 tab, and I wasn't aware of any others being replaced.

The exit gore sign itself.  This beautiful sign is gone.  It now looks like this one.

Ah, got it. Hadn't noticed that yet but that is unfortunate.

[baugh17]

Replace in kind, perhaps, until R4 gets into the exit renumbering game?

now we have another with no number at all on I-590 north at I-490 (should say exit 5;

Which one is that? The new APL at the gore point has an Exit 5 tab, and I wasn't aware of any others being replaced.

The exit gore sign itself.  This beautiful sign is gone.  It now looks like this one.

[vdeane]

Replace in kind, perhaps, until R4 gets into the exit renumbering game?

What's odd is that these gore signs have no place for a number.  It looks like they just decided to save money by buying a bunch of numberless blanks for the maintenance residencies to put up as spot replacements and not worry about exit numbers.  They'd likely continue appearing even after a hypothetical conversion.

Such also doesn't explain the inconsistencies with mile markers.  One of the I-390 projects and the I-490 Gateway project are the last instances I can think of the traditional tenth mile markers being installed.  Since then, it's been unpredictable.  The I-390/I-490 interchange has enhanced tenths the whole way, but those are the only new tenth mile markers that have been installed at all.  A couple of the I-390 projects have used enhanced full markers but no tenths, and every other project seems to include nothing at all, not even markers for the full miles.  I-590/NY 590 is the only road left with consistent tenths, and any kind of distance marker has gotten scarce on the eastern part of I-490 (and is also absent on a part of I-390).

It's also worth noting that the exit gore sign for I-490 exit 28 has been missing for close to 20 years!

[roadman65]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

[cockroachking]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

[roadman65]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

[cockroachking]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

Okay fine, you can tie back into US-9W by only demolishing a business and a Ulster County DPW maintenance facility. Let me amend my statement.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses, businesses, and public works facilities to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

[roadman65]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

Okay fine, you can tie back into US-9W by only demolishing a business and a Ulster County DPW maintenance facility. Let me amend my statement.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses, businesses, and public works facilities to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Look at the satellite imagery.

I'm not suggestion they stop everything for it, but plan sometime to due it like make it part of the city project to turn the expressway into an urban arterial for safety thst is being evaluated.

[cockroachking]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

Okay fine, you can tie back into US-9W by only demolishing a business and a Ulster County DPW maintenance facility. Let me amend my statement.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses, businesses, and public works facilities to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Look at the satellite imagery.

I'm not suggestion they stop everything for it, but plan sometime to due it like make it part of the city project to turn the expressway into an urban arterial for safety thst is being evaluated.

Waste of time, money, and personnel. Just like this argument.

(personal opinion)

[roadman65]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

Okay fine, you can tie back into US-9W by only demolishing a business and a Ulster County DPW maintenance facility. Let me amend my statement.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses, businesses, and public works facilities to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Look at the satellite imagery.

I'm not suggestion they stop everything for it, but plan sometime to due it like make it part of the city project to turn the expressway into an urban arterial for safety thst is being evaluated.

Waste of time, money, and personnel. Just like this argument.

(personal opinion)

You seem to be the one arguing, but point received .

It could have been received better if you had better sense of writing like " The main reason the state or city isn't reacting is there are way too many other regional projects to compete at the moment" and left it at that.

My name isn't Beltway where you all have a thing for roasting him in a frying pan.  It was a legitimate question to ask.

[vdeane]

Look at the satellite imagery.

I'm not suggestion they stop everything for it, but plan sometime to due it like make it part of the city project to turn the expressway into an urban arterial for safety thst is being evaluated.

I looked at the satellite imagery myself and I don't see the path you're mentioning.  The area is pretty much all developed, so if if it managed to snake through without taking any buildings, it would still take a significant amount of land and have tight enough turns that it really wouldn't accomplish anything.

[Rothman]

Are there any plans to redo the current US 9W and NY 32 junction in Kingston?

Considering there is a stub on the south side of Route 32 and green space north of NY 32, they could at least realign US 9W to be one continuous route instead of the wrong way concurrency with Route 32 making a full diamond or flatten out the stubs and make an at grade four way intersection.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Actually to realign the US 9W and Rt 32 intersection won't require any houses to be torn as there is a green space for a new road between Koening Blvd and Chester Street.

However the city is exploring options to reconnect both sides of US 9W in the Downtown area.  One is to reduce the four lane highway to two lanes and add bike lanes and a sidewalk to make it easier to cross US 9W on foot at grade.

Okay fine, you can tie back into US-9W by only demolishing a business and a Ulster County DPW maintenance facility. Let me amend my statement.

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses, businesses, and public works facilities to fix a non-issue.

(personal opinion)

Look at the satellite imagery.

I'm not suggestion they stop everything for it, but plan sometime to due it like make it part of the city project to turn the expressway into an urban arterial for safety thst is being evaluated.

Waste of time, money, and personnel. Just like this argument.

(personal opinion)

You seem to be the one arguing, but point received .

It could have been received better if you had better sense of writing like " The main reason the state or city isn't reacting is there are way too many other regional projects to compete at the moment" and left it at that.

That was his first response and you argued with it.

[kphoger]

Are there any plans to redo ...

Region 8 has more important things to deal with rather than tearing down houses to fix a non-issue.

It could have been received better if you had better sense of writing like " The main reason the state or city isn't reacting is there are way too many other regional projects to compete at the moment" and left it at that.

That was his first response and you argued with it.

Ah, but, see, he left it ambiguous.  Perhaps the "more important things" |cockroachking| was talking about were things like ordering new office chairs, steam-cleaning the carpets, and drafting new e-mail signature guidelines.

[interstatefan990]

Rare freestanding overhead advisory speed sign on I-390: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3WTZWeKQHvFzEsAQ9

Don't think I've seen another example of this in NY. Also seems that between 2018 and 2019 the advisory speed sign was moved from the BGS to its own post a bit further down, and exit speed increased from 35 mph to 45 mph, wonder why.

[webny99]

Rare freestanding overhead advisory speed sign on I-390: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3WTZWeKQHvFzEsAQ9

Don't think I've seen another example of this in NY. Also seems that between 2018 and 2019 the advisory speed sign was moved from the BGS to its own post a bit further down, and exit speed increased from 35 mph to 45 mph, wonder why.

The ramp speed increase was due to the ramp being widened as part of the Exit 20/21 interchange reconstruction from 2018 to 2022: Compare 2018 vs. 2019 vs. 2025 (new southbound flyover on the left).

I-390 NB was also realigned as part of this project, so the left through lane becomes an exit only lane instead of a new lane forming on the left (2017 vs. 2025). The overhead advisory sign is odd, but since it's now an Exit Only lane they may have determined that keeping the ramp speed on the main sign would have been information overload. Also, not signing it until the gore point could help reduce slowing and braking in advance of the exit, which has gotten much better post-reconstruction.

[interstatefan990]

The overhead advisory sign is odd, but since it's now an Exit Only lane they may have determined that keeping the ramp speed on the main sign would have been information overload. Also, not signing it until the gore point could help reduce slowing and braking in advance of the exit, which has gotten much better post-reconstruction.

Oh, didn't think about it like that. I suppose it doesn't help that the exit is on a slight left curve and can be somewhat obstructed by shrubbery in the warmer months as well. In any case, I'd expect this advisory sign as something more typical for New York.

[webny99]

Off-topic as I didn't think this warranted its own thread...

I-490 is getting all new signage between Exits 6 and 9 and from what is visible so far, it looks like it will be very well done with some long-overdue upgrades:

I-490 EB has been re-striped as part of this project so that Exit 6 becomes a through lane instead of a normal taper with a new lane opening on the left.  The same thing that was done with I-390 NB a few years ago at Exit 12A and I don't love it there because it shifts through traffic out of the right lane, but it works much better here since the right lane ends at Exit 8 anyways, so the former "lane shift" for through traffic is eliminated.

... we could have a unique situation here with Buffalo appearing on all three sign panels!

Scratch that: there's no pull-through sign on the new WB overhead at Exit 7B, so no mention of Buffalo the city. I'll forgive it since a pull-through is technically not required here (or needed IMO).