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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #126 on: July 09, 2017, 12:26:50 AM »

* One for the unbuilt South Suburban Expressway (the precursor to the Illiana or what would have been the next phase of the I-355 extension)

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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #127 on: July 09, 2017, 11:54:41 AM »

* One for the unbuilt South Suburban Expressway (the precursor to the Illiana or what would have been the next phase of the I-355 extension)

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Repost of the link to the South Suburban EIS
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #128 on: July 13, 2017, 08:59:42 AM »

This is all fascinating stuff.

I've been going through the state digital archives road maps, and finding a lot of interesting things.  Seriously, almost every road map Illinois has ever put out in one handy place?  Yes, please.

I just wish they'd fix the zooming feature so that when you zoom in, it doesn't default back to Decatur.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #129 on: July 13, 2017, 08:56:52 PM »

historicaerials.com has aerials taken in 1971 of I-55 under construction in Illinois along US 66 between Glenarm and Farmersville.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #130 on: July 14, 2017, 08:56:35 AM »

historicaerials.com has aerials taken in 1971 of I-55 under construction in Illinois along US 66 between Glenarm and Farmersville.

I was kinda surprised when looking at US 66 over the Des Plaines river at Channahon, that 66 actually crossed the river at close to a 45 degree angle.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #131 on: July 14, 2017, 09:01:55 PM »

This is all fascinating stuff.

I've been going through the state digital archives road maps, and finding a lot of interesting things.  Seriously, almost every road map Illinois has ever put out in one handy place?  Yes, please.

I just wish they'd fix the zooming feature so that when you zoom in, it doesn't default back to Decatur.

You found that too? Yeah, that's an awesome map. If I have a question about an old route from the 60s, 70s, or even the 80s and 90s, I will refer to those maps.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2017, 09:20:03 AM »

I don't remember if I saw the Illinois Digital Archives in this thread.  I'm sure it's probably been linked to....

Illinois Road Map Archives
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2018, 01:31:12 PM »

The second page of http://www.iahe-il.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Andy-Plummer-Cook-County-Expressways-.pdf has a map with an earlier plan that had the Tri-State running through DuPage County.
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« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2018, 04:53:43 PM »

The second page of http://www.iahe-il.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Andy-Plummer-Cook-County-Expressways-.pdf has a map with an earlier plan that had the Tri-State running through DuPage County.

It looks like they ultimately combined the Tri-State and River Parkway concepts into the actually built Tri-State. It seems the Tri-State would have been closer to the alignment of IL 83 through DuPage County (or overtaken it entirely). Basically, South of O'Hare they just ultimately ended up having it straddle the Cook-DuPage County Line to the Stevenson and then aligned back to the River Parkway route North of O'Hare. IL 53 basically would serve the same purpose in North Cook County that the "original" Tri-State would if not for these little towns in Lake County called Long Grove and Hawthorne Woods (if only people could have seen the future on that one, and built that through sooner before became a problem and those towns came up with the ammunition to basically hold it up like that have for half a century). As for not building the crosstown... HUGE MISTAKE! While I agree that building the blue line into O'Hare and orange line to Midway absolutely was the right call with the diverted funds... the crosstown would have made a huge difference... just look at the mess at the Circle now! Some of that would have been alleviated, but I think we can safely say that ship has long sailed!
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #135 on: August 18, 2018, 06:21:52 PM »

I revived crosstown and the Mid city transit way are in the into 2050 plan . Comments closed last week . But the crosstown is not dead yet.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #136 on: August 19, 2018, 11:33:11 AM »

The only difference is that in the original plan, the Crosstown was to diverge from the Kennedy at about Diversey Ave.  IDOT removed the ghost ramps for its interchange there when they rebuilt the Kennedy in the 1980s, replacing them with new slip ramps for the Kennedy's reversible express lanes.  More recently, the proposals that I have seen for the Crosstown have it connecting with the Kennedy farther out at its Edens Split interchange.

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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #137 on: August 19, 2018, 06:09:38 PM »

I revived crosstown and the Mid city transit way are in the into 2050 plan . Comments closed last week . But the crosstown is not dead yet.

The only difference is that in the original plan, the Crosstown was to diverge from the Kennedy at about Diversey Ave.  IDOT removed the ghost ramps for its interchange there when they rebuilt the Kennedy in the 1980s, replacing them with new slip ramps for the Kennedy's reversible express lanes.  More recently, the proposals that I have seen for the Crosstown have it connecting with the Kennedy farther out at its Edens Split interchange.

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Well, it would be very beneficial for many reasons. First of all, the traffic congestion that would be reduced speaks for itself! Secondly, the neighborhoods it would go through could actually see some good economic benefit for better highway and transitway access.  I agree it makes a lot more sense for the Crosstown to diverge at the junction. Honestly, if built to interstate standards, some would say I-494 like the original plan, but I would make an argument to reroute I-90 along it (basically, I-90 and I-94 do a "bump" at the junction, and then I-290 becomes an extension of I-88). I know I am starting to get a bit into potential fictional territory here, but just saying. Would it still go by Midway?
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #138 on: August 19, 2018, 06:52:46 PM »

Yes. It would go past Midway. There are actually two proposals in the INTO 2050 plan. One is from CDOT and one from the public both have some idea for a highway or transit or both. The right of way from the original stiltway plan is still there. Sorry autocorrect made A an I in my post.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #139 on: August 20, 2018, 10:20:03 AM »

* One for the unbuilt South Suburban Expressway (the precursor to the Illiana or what would have been the next phase of the I-355 extension)

This url didn't make it in.  Could you please repost it?


Repost of the link to the South Suburban EIS

Just think if even half of those proposals got built, some would be quite beneficial (I see you Lake County highways)
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #140 on: August 20, 2018, 02:17:11 PM »

Yes. It would go past Midway. There are actually two proposals in the INTO 2050 plan. One is from CDOT and one from the public both have some idea for a highway or transit or both. The right of way from the original stiltway plan is still there. Sorry autocorrect made A an I in my post.
IIRC, the proposal described on Wikipedia has the Crosstown starting at the Edens Split, heading down Cicero to 63rd or 67th, and turning east to connect with the Dan Ryan at its junction with the Skyway.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #141 on: August 23, 2018, 11:06:32 PM »

Yes. It would go past Midway. There are actually two proposals in the INTO 2050 plan. One is from CDOT and one from the public both have some idea for a highway or transit or both. The right of way from the original stiltway plan is still there. Sorry autocorrect made A an I in my post.

Anything would be a help to Midway.  The Cicero and 63rd Street corridors are terrible.  I was nearly shot by CPD at 63rd and Halsted. Any new highway construction between the Ryan and Western Avenue would be an improvement, as crime in that area is bad.

I love it that for many, many years, even in sub zero weather, for a small donation, you have guys washing the salt off your windshield while you wait to get on I-55 at Cicero Ave.
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Re: Illinois freeway history research
« Reply #142 on: August 31, 2018, 06:05:29 AM »

It appears Google is finally allowing full access to the older environmental impact statements, although some of the fold out maps have not scanned well.

* Here's one for adding the US 40 interchange with I-70 at Vandalia

* One for the unbuilt supplemental freeway from Columbia to Marion

* One for the unbuilt South Suburban Expressway (the precursor to the Illiana or what would have been the next phase of the I-355 extension)

* One for the unbuilt supplemental freeway from Decatur to I-57 near Salem

* One for the unbuilt supplemental freeway along US 50, for the I-64 to US 51 segment

* One for the Crosstown Expressway

* One for the Amstutz Expressway

* One for the unbuilt IL 1 supplemental freeway around Danville

* For the freeway that became I-39 from Bloomington-Normal to Oglesby

* For the freeway that became I-39 from Rockford to Rochelle

* For the freeway that became I-155

(Edited to fix missing url for the South Suburban EIS)

Regarding that bit about the rejected FAP-411 corridor in the Danville/Georgetown area:
  • The northern portion of that sector (from Perrysville Road northward) is currently being considered for the proposed "Danville Beltline" project, although the proposed Danville Beltline, if it were built, would not be built to freeway standards
  • A proposed dam along the Little Vermilion River near Georgetown was referenced in the FAP-411 study, although that never got built for whatever reason
  • From Perrysville Road to US-136, there would have been three grade-separated interchanges (including an interchange with I-74) on FAP-411 over a relatively short distance
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