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Re: Ohio
« Reply #200 on: July 28, 2017, 11:13:47 PM »

On the topic of these toll banners, so far I've only seen 2 locations that have them, both along US 20 in district 2. So far none have turned up at the turnpike signs I see frequently in district 3, also on US 20. Anyone noticing them popping up anywhere else?

Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #201 on: July 28, 2017, 11:23:24 PM »

On the topic of these toll banners, so far I've only seen 2 locations that have them, both along US 20 in district 2. So far none have turned up at the turnpike signs I see frequently in district 3, also on US 20. Anyone noticing them popping up anywhere else?

Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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Here's a few photos I took in the Toledo area on July 2nd. I'm not sure how long these have been around.

On I-475 NB


On I-75 NB near the southern end of I-475


Also, this was taken on I-75 in Findlay
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #202 on: July 29, 2017, 06:01:46 AM »


Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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There is a construction zone on I-77 south from OH 82 past the Ohio Turnpike with a variable speed limit - and I am told the I-271 express lane extension construction from I-480 south to OH 8 has a variable speed limit as well. :)
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #203 on: July 29, 2017, 11:51:22 AM »


Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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There is a construction zone on I-77 south from OH 82 past the Ohio Turnpike with a variable speed limit - and I am told the I-271 express lane extension construction from I-480 south to OH 8 has a variable speed limit as well. :)

It indeed does, and they have also used the variable signs on US 30 out near Van Wert.  They are all over the state now.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #204 on: August 02, 2017, 10:06:11 PM »


Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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There is a construction zone on I-77 south from OH 82 past the Ohio Turnpike with a variable speed limit - and I am told the I-271 express lane extension construction from I-480 south to OH 8 has a variable speed limit as well. :)

It indeed does, and they have also used the variable signs on US 30 out near Van Wert.  They are all over the state now.

Add I-270 SB between US 62/I-670 and 317 and I-71 NB between OH 303 and I-80
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #205 on: August 02, 2017, 11:40:48 PM »

That mileage sign above--did it replace the one that displayed the following...

     I-475      4
     Toledo   14         

Judging by the mileages, that seems to be around the 188 milemarker, just north of Exit 187 Luckey interchange.

Checking googlemaps, I see there was extensive roadwork done on that section of I-75 (Nov 2016) and Ohio DOT probably changed the sign with different points on it.  It does seem a bit strange that US 20 and Detroit was displayed instead of I-475 and Toledo unless a nearby VMS sign displays the distance and time to I-475 and Toledo on it.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #206 on: August 04, 2017, 09:59:53 PM »


Also, in a prior post I noted my first time seeing a variable speed limit in an Ohio construction zone (OH 2 bridges over OH 57 in Elyria). Today I saw another one on US 23 in Chillicothe, which  varried between 50 and 60 mph. Not sure how long Ohio has been doing variable speed limits, but I like it.

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There is a construction zone on I-77 south from OH 82 past the Ohio Turnpike with a variable speed limit - and I am told the I-271 express lane extension construction from I-480 south to OH 8 has a variable speed limit as well. :)

It indeed does, and they have also used the variable signs on US 30 out near Van Wert.  They are all over the state now.

Add I-270 SB between US 62/I-670 and 317 and I-71 NB between OH 303 and I-80



Also a project on I-675 at I-70
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #207 on: August 23, 2017, 11:02:47 AM »

Widening Oh 161 (Dublin-Granville Rd) through Linworth (NW Columbus) has been talked about for decades, but the locals living along the road had resisted. Now there are more commercial interests than homeowners along this stretch of road, so the sentiments towards widening have changed. Maybe this will get done in time for the crush of humanity that will be Solar Eclipse 2024.
http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170823/adding-center-turn-lane-on-route-161-on-northwest-side-has-support?rssfeed=true
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #208 on: August 25, 2017, 01:36:16 AM »

Just a center turn lane? That barely counts as a widening!
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #209 on: September 07, 2017, 11:58:26 AM »

ODOT/City of Columbus appear to be going through another round of sign replacements. Exit tabs have been added to Oh 104, between US 33 & I-71 (and a button copy sign at High St appears to be on the chopping block).
315 is getting new overhead signs, with exit tabs, to replace older signs. That said, 315 between the I-70/71 west split and I-670 is going to be an alphabet soup for exit 1 (Town/Rich St, Spring St, 670, Broad St, and the split).
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #210 on: September 19, 2017, 12:22:49 AM »

That said, 315 between the I-70/71 west split and I-670 is going to be an alphabet soup for exit 1 (Town/Rich St, Spring St, 670, Broad St, and the split).

Considering Town/Rich is exit 1A, I think the ramps at the southern terminus are going to remain unnumbered. I do think it's strange that the ramps to 33 and 670 are in the 1* range instead of the 2* range. But I still can't figure out how they get all the way up to 1F without skipping some letters, unless the four ramps to 670 get four distinct designations, which is a dumb idea.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #211 on: September 19, 2017, 01:09:16 AM »

That said, 315 between the I-70/71 west split and I-670 is going to be an alphabet soup for exit 1 (Town/Rich St, Spring St, 670, Broad St, and the split).

Considering Town/Rich is exit 1A, I think the ramps at the southern terminus are going to remain unnumbered. I do think it's strange that the ramps to 33 and 670 are in the 1* range instead of the 2* range. But I still can't figure out how they get all the way up to 1F without skipping some letters, unless the four ramps to 670 get four distinct designations, which is a dumb idea.

The analog of this interchange up north, where a state route freeway's southern end is at the same interchange where an Interstate duplex breaks up/forms, namely Route 8 in Akron, got Exit 0A-B numbering for the exits at the central interchange a couple years ago long after the other exits on Route 8 got exit numbers.  It seems to be the only Exit 0 in Ohio, with other end-of-route interchanges (e.g., I-271) already being Exit 1.  Why not do the same for 315 as was done with 8 and use Exit 0 for some of the ramps at the 70/71 interchange? 

(If done analogous to Route 8, the movement from 315 south to 71 south would get no exit number, just as 8 to 77 south gets no exit number.  Not what I would have done, but there is still 0A and 0B at least.)
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #212 on: September 19, 2017, 06:49:58 PM »


The analog of this interchange up north, where a state route freeway's southern end is at the same interchange where an Interstate duplex breaks up/forms, namely Route 8 in Akron, got Exit 0A-B numbering for the exits at the central interchange a couple years ago long after the other exits on Route 8 got exit numbers.  It seems to be the only Exit 0 in Ohio, with other end-of-route interchanges (e.g., I-271) already being Exit 1.  Why not do the same for 315 as was done with 8 and use Exit 0 for some of the ramps at the 70/71 interchange? 

(If done analogous to Route 8, the movement from 315 south to 71 south would get no exit number, just as 8 to 77 south gets no exit number.  Not what I would have done, but there is still 0A and 0B at least.)

South end of Ohio 8 got an exit 0?!? That would be a first for Ohio. Even the I-71/75/US 50 alphabet soup in Cincy is an exit 1.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #213 on: September 19, 2017, 08:06:01 PM »


The analog of this interchange up north, where a state route freeway's southern end is at the same interchange where an Interstate duplex breaks up/forms, namely Route 8 in Akron, got Exit 0A-B numbering for the exits at the central interchange a couple years ago long after the other exits on Route 8 got exit numbers.  It seems to be the only Exit 0 in Ohio, with other end-of-route interchanges (e.g., I-271) already being Exit 1.  Why not do the same for 315 as was done with 8 and use Exit 0 for some of the ramps at the 70/71 interchange? 

(If done analogous to Route 8, the movement from 315 south to 71 south would get no exit number, just as 8 to 77 south gets no exit number.  Not what I would have done, but there is still 0A and 0B at least.)

South end of Ohio 8 got an exit 0?!? That would be a first for Ohio. Even the I-71/75/US 50 alphabet soup in Cincy is an exit 1.

I was going to say, definitely a first. And a few of the 71/75/50 exits are on top of the border, with A/B being roughly 500 feet north of it. I don't even understand why I-71 gets a number from I-271.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #214 on: September 19, 2017, 10:54:13 PM »

I was going to say, definitely a first. And a few of the 71/75/50 exits are on top of the border, with A/B being roughly 500 feet north of it. I don't even understand why I-71 gets a number from I-271.


I guess the unwritten rule of thumb is that if a routed freeway ("A") ends at another routed freeway ("B"), and you wind up on route "B" no matter which exit you take, there is no need to number those exits/ramps.  This means that I-271 especially should have no exit number at I-71 as there is only one option / ramp and that is to I-71 South.

However, if highway "A" ends at an interchange where you can wind up on highway "B" or highway "C", "D", etc... then there should be an exit number associated with the possible ramps/exits at the intersection (as in the case of SR-8 in Akron @ the Central Interchange / I-76 & I-77).

Now the remaining question is:  Should this terminus for highway "A" be labeled Exit 0 (A/B,...) or Exit 1 (A/B,...)? 

In the case of the Central Interchange in Akron?  Yes, Exit 0x is suitable as Route 8 ends there.  In the case of the interchange at the north end of the Brent Spence in Cincinnati?  No, Exit 1x is more suitable as all 3 highways continue there AND the exit numbers are simply resetting at the state line. As a bonus:  I-270 is right to have an Exit 1 vs an Exit 0 at I-71 as the route continues and starts counting down the miles again for another lap around Columbus.

The only other example of numbered highways in Ohio that could fit the "should it be Exit 0 or Exit 1" scenario that I know of is Southbound I-280 at the Ohio Turnpike in Toledo.  I would rename that as an Exit 0 for the Turnpike I-80/90 and the continuing of the expressway onto OH-420 would not be numbered.
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« Reply #215 on: September 19, 2017, 11:33:39 PM »

I was going to say, definitely a first. And a few of the 71/75/50 exits are on top of the border, with A/B being roughly 500 feet north of it. I don't even understand why I-71 gets a number from I-271.


I guess the unwritten rule of thumb is that if a routed freeway ("A") ends at another routed freeway ("B"), and you wind up on route "B" no matter which exit you take, there is no need to number those exits/ramps.  This means that I-271 especially should have no exit number at I-71 as there is only one option / ramp and that is to I-71 South.

However, if highway "A" ends at an interchange where you can wind up on highway "B" or highway "C", "D", etc... then there should be an exit number associated with the possible ramps/exits at the intersection (as in the case of SR-8 in Akron @ the Central Interchange / I-76 & I-77).

Now the remaining question is:  Should this terminus for highway "A" be labeled Exit 0 (A/B,...) or Exit 1 (A/B,...)? 

In the case of the Central Interchange in Akron?  Yes, Exit 0x is suitable as Route 8 ends there.  In the case of the interchange at the north end of the Brent Spence in Cincinnati?  No, Exit 1x is more suitable as all 3 highways continue there AND the exit numbers are simply resetting at the state line. As a bonus:  I-270 is right to have an Exit 1 vs an Exit 0 at I-71 as the route continues and starts counting down the miles again for another lap around Columbus.

The only other example of numbered highways in Ohio that could fit the "should it be Exit 0 or Exit 1" scenario that I know of is Southbound I-280 at the Ohio Turnpike in Toledo.  I would rename that as an Exit 0 for the Turnpike I-80/90 and the continuing of the expressway onto OH-420 would not be numbered.


The Exit 1 for 71 from 271 has been there for so long that they probably wouldn't change it if they ever did decide on a mass implementation of Exit 0; even the old button copy signs with lighting had Exit 1 tabs.  There is never a gore sign saying Exit 1, though.

I-490 should use Exit 0 at 90/71/176.  It uses Exit 1 with letters. At the other end, it lacks numbers for 77, which it should have.

I-280 should indeed also use Exit 0 for current Exit 1A for its parent I-80; that would allow current Exit 1B about a mile away to just be Exit 1.

I think the end of I-675 should have numbers, preferably Exit 0A-B as well since there is a choice, not just defaulting onto 75 SB.  If there were ramps for NB and SB elsewhere, they would get A-B suffixes, so why not here too.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #216 on: September 19, 2017, 11:48:36 PM »

How could  there be a gore sign for I-271 Exit 1? The first Exit 1 advance is well after the last gore point on the road. First time through there as an 8 year old, I thought the road continued with that sign. Nope. That thing shouldn't have any number, period.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #217 on: September 20, 2017, 01:04:02 AM »

How could  there be a gore sign for I-271 Exit 1? The first Exit 1 advance is well after the last gore point on the road. First time through there as an 8 year old, I thought the road continued with that sign. Nope. That thing shouldn't have any number, period.

Exactly.  Although there is a gore sign at the end of the US 3 expressway in Mass, albeit at what would have been an actual gore point if the road had continued.  It isn't unprecedented to have a gore-like sign for a default movement like 271 to 71.  Indeed it shouldn't have an exit number, but if it has to, I wish it were Exit 0.
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« Reply #218 on: September 20, 2017, 07:00:25 AM »

(If done analogous to Route 8, the movement from 315 south to 71 south would get no exit number, just as 8 to 77 south gets no exit number.

Technically, 315 northbound begins from I-70 eastbound and descends the loop ramp. Southbound 315 is not technically defined, but to me the logical inference from what northbound 315 does is that southbound 315 takes the ramp to 70 westbound and terminates where it meets the latter. So the connection to 71 southbound and the ramp to 70/71 eastbound would be left exits, while the ramp to 70 westbound is not an exit at all. Not that I'm advocating it should be signed that way.

If it were up to me:
1A: [SB only 70/71 E]
1B: [SB only 71 S]
1C: [SB only 70 W]
1D: 62 / 3 / Rich / Town / [SB only Sullivant (future)]
1E: [SB only Broad]
2A: 670 W / [NB only 33 / Dublin / Long]
2B: 670 E
2C: Goodale

But ODOT didn't ask me. And even if they did, they probably would have modified my plan so the northbound exit to Rich / Town is simply exit 1, rather than exit 1D.
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« Reply #219 on: September 20, 2017, 09:40:50 AM »

The Exit 1 for 71 from 271 has been there for so long that they probably wouldn't change it if they ever did decide on a mass implementation of Exit 0; even the old button copy signs with lighting had Exit 1 tabs.  There is never a gore sign saying Exit 1, though.

The reason why they probably numbered I-271 / I-71 Exit 1 was there were 2 ideas being kicked around over the decades that never came to fruition:

1) Creating a Western Cleveland beltway that would have linked I-90 to I-71, and I-271 would have been extended from it's current terminus.  I think it was mentioned only once or twice in the area papers.

2) This was the more realistic possibility:  Creating a northern bypass of Medina, where SR-18 would have gone up one exit on I-71 then head west on a freeway/express bypass at I-271 rejoining the current alignment of SR-18 somewhere near Mallet Creek / SR-252.  The bypass would have roughly followed the high-tension power lines between said two points.  This proposal was shot down by the NIMBY's (as was a second proposal to build a southern bypass near/along SR-162). 

Had either of these ideas came to fruition, the I-271/I-71 exit would have been completely revamped and an Exit 1 (or Exit 0), or a new renumbering (if I-271 was extended) would have made sense.


I forgot about I-490 -- that western end should have been numbered Exit 0 A/B as well.  With the new Opportunity Parkway / SR-10 extension in the works, the eastern terminus may still get assigned an exit number yet when it is opened and new signs are needed.
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