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Re: Ohio
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2015, 04:17:49 PM »

On the subject of the I-70 widening, I've noticed the portable message signs approaching the work zone showing the traffic speed. I'd not noticed that elsewhere and it seems like a nice touch, if not terribly accurate.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2015, 01:33:48 PM »

Another new traffic light coming to US 23 in Delaware

http://www.thisweeknews.com/content/stories/delaware/news/2015/12/18/intersections-upgrade-will-give-drivers-more-options.html

This is a downgrade of the northern Sandusky Street half-interchange.  Apparently the southbound exit ramp will be converted to a two-way extension of Sandusky Street, which will meet US 23 at a traffic light.  The northbound entrance ramp will remain.

This just adds to the case for a proper new-alignment freeway route through Delaware County that the powers that be aren't even considering.  See also fictional I-171.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2015, 07:45:50 PM »

^ Well that's just great. And it's far enough north that it also affects those that choose to take 37/36 over to 71.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2015, 04:50:40 PM »

Is anyone else using these bike route signs? Saw this in Newark a couple days ago.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2015, 01:24:45 PM »

A variation in KY (I'm still blown away by the fact they put a bike route across KY 1091 and KY 122):

https://goo.gl/maps/WPGPewEgneS2
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2015, 01:39:16 PM »

A variation in KY (I'm still blown away by the fact they put a bike route across KY 1091 and KY 122):

https://goo.gl/maps/WPGPewEgneS2

aren't these basically stitched together county and state roads across the country?  Not many are separated from traffic from what I've seen.  Indiana hasn't signed any of their proposed routes (35, 50, 20, and a few more) yet
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2015, 02:11:33 PM »

^ a lot of them will probably be on streets, though they will follow bike trails where applicable. For example I know that most of the North Coast Inland Trail in north central Ohio will become part of the US bike route 30
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2015, 03:21:13 PM »

A variation in KY (I'm still blown away by the fact they put a bike route across KY 1091 and KY 122):

https://goo.gl/maps/WPGPewEgneS2

aren't these basically stitched together county and state roads across the country?  Not many are separated from traffic from what I've seen.  Indiana hasn't signed any of their proposed routes (35, 50, 20, and a few more) yet

Absolutely.  Not separated from traffic; just routes on roads. 

The 76 route I posted had something to do with the Bicentennial, even.  Bizarre.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2015, 11:49:14 PM »

A variation in KY (I'm still blown away by the fact they put a bike route across KY 1091 and KY 122):

https://goo.gl/maps/WPGPewEgneS2

The first two national bike routes were USBR 1 and USBR 76. There are a few old white-on-green unnumbered Bike Route signs left in Kentucky, but District 12 (including Pike, Floyd and Knott counties) is the only place I know of in Kentucky where USBR 76 is fully signed. It's certainly not signed in my district.

As for the choice of routes, they've tried to keep the bike route off major highways. It comes into Kentucky on KY 80. It does use a portion of US 23, but for the most part it stays on lesser routes. If I'm not mistaken, I drove across KY 1091 as a cut-across between KY 122 and KY 7. It's a pretty steep mountain crossing, but I'll bet the ADT on that route is minuscule. There really was no other good way to get from one valley to the other without going up 122 all the way to 80 and then back over to 7, or else staying on 197 to Jenkins and then using 805 and a couple of other routes to connect to 7 in Letcher County.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2016, 12:40:07 PM »

Saw something a bit odd yesterday on one of the many "To Ohio Turnpike" signs in Northern Ohio....the ones at the US 20/OH 51 intersection near Elmore now have a yellow "TOLL" banner between the "TO" banner and the turnpike shield.

First time I've see that. Thought it seemed kind of redundant, as "Ohio Turnpike" seems pretty self explanatory.

Anyone else seen that setup elsewhere? It'll be interesting to see if more of them turn up.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2016, 01:18:49 PM »

A variation in KY (I'm still blown away by the fact they put a bike route across KY 1091 and KY 122):

https://goo.gl/maps/WPGPewEgneS2

The first two national bike routes were USBR 1 and USBR 76. There are a few old white-on-green unnumbered Bike Route signs left in Kentucky, but District 12 (including Pike, Floyd and Knott counties) is the only place I know of in Kentucky where USBR 76 is fully signed. It's certainly not signed in my district.

As for the choice of routes, they've tried to keep the bike route off major highways. It comes into Kentucky on KY 80. It does use a portion of US 23, but for the most part it stays on lesser routes. If I'm not mistaken, I drove across KY 1091 as a cut-across between KY 122 and KY 7. It's a pretty steep mountain crossing, but I'll bet the ADT on that route is minuscule. There really was no other good way to get from one valley to the other without going up 122 all the way to 80 and then back over to 7, or else staying on 197 to Jenkins and then using 805 and a couple of other routes to connect to 7 in Letcher County.

As I've said before, my grandparents lived on KY 122 in Wheelwright; I visited them frequently.  Never saw a bicycle on KY 122 in all my time spent in Floyd County. :D
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2016, 12:18:00 PM »

Thought it seemed kind of redundant, as "Ohio Turnpike" seems pretty self explanatory.

Not necessarily.  There are numerous roads in the DC area called turnpikes that do not charge a toll.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2016, 11:39:31 PM »

Yes, but they probably used to. Most roads with the word "pike" in them charged tolls at one time.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2016, 01:10:35 PM »

Does anyone know why the US 30 expressway between Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus has such an elevated profile? It's bizarre, rising up 40 or more feet above the surrounding farmland, as if to clear a nonexistent railroad, then comes back down to ground level to intersect a county road, then mysteriously up again…
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2016, 04:04:16 PM »

Does anyone know why the US 30 expressway between Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus has such an elevated profile? It's bizarre, rising up 40 or more feet above the surrounding farmland, as if to clear a nonexistent railroad, then comes back down to ground level to intersect a county road, then mysteriously up again…

Huh, not too familiar with that part, only been on it once. Though I have diven under it at Marion-Melmore Rd a bunch of times and just figured the high profile in that area was due to crossing multiple roads in that immediate area

On the topic of US 30, I see Google Maps now shows it as freeway orange from Upper all the way to Convoy, even though that section has at grade intersections. Kind of hard to figure out how they decide what gets the orange vs yellow, as there is a very similar section of US 23 around Marion with limited at grade intersections that is still yellow. And then on US 24 there there's a section west of Defiance to Indiana with at grade intersections that is orange and a section between Defiance and Napoleon with at grade intersections that is yellow.

Maybe the speed limit has something to do with it? I know 23 around Marion is 65. Not sure about 24 (other than I'm pretty sure it was 65 when I was on it last). 30 used to be 65, but I did post on another thread about seeing an article stating that it was going to 70 from Indiana all the way to Mansfield (except for the Upper Sandusky bypass)
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2016, 04:11:28 PM »

Does anyone know why the US 30 expressway between Upper Sandusky and Bucyrus has such an elevated profile? It's bizarre, rising up 40 or more feet above the surrounding farmland, as if to clear a nonexistent railroad, then comes back down to ground level to intersect a county road, then mysteriously up again…

Huh, not too familiar with that part, only been on it once. Though I have diven under it at Marion-Melmore Rd a bunch of times and just figured the high profile in that area was due to crossing multiple roads in that immediate area

On the topic of US 30, I see Google Maps now shows it as freeway orange from Upper all the way to Convoy, even though that section has at grade intersections. Kind of hard to figure out how they decide what gets the orange vs yellow, as there is a very similar section of US 23 around Marion with limited at grade intersections that is still yellow. And then on US 24 there there's a section west of Defiance to Indiana with at grade intersections that is orange and a section between Defiance and Napoleon with at grade intersections that is yellow.

Maybe the speed limit has something to do with it? I know 23 around Marion is 65. Not sure about 24 (other than I'm pretty sure it was 65 when I was on it last). 30 used to be 65, but I did post on another thread about seeing an article stating that it was going to 70 from Indiana all the way to Mansfield (except for the Upper Sandusky bypass)

It is indeed 70 now all the way from the Indiana line to Mansfield, except for the overlap with US 23's Upper Sandusky bypass, which is still 65.  It is a boon for trucks who originally were limited to 55 on that road to have gone to 65 and now 70 on the toll-free roads, especially with 30 being not a bad shunpike.

It is somewhat odd that Ohio has become so much more liberal with speed limits than Indiana.  Roads like US 30 from Paulding to Richland Counties that have 70 MPH limits in Ohio top out at 60 in Indiana, and Indiana still has the split limit for trucks.  Somehow never thought that Ohio would be so much more liberal with speed limits.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2016, 09:59:10 PM »

On the topic of US 30, I see Google Maps now shows it as freeway orange from Upper all the way to Convoy, even though that section has at grade intersections. Kind of hard to figure out how they decide what gets the orange vs yellow, as there is a very similar section of US 23 around Marion with limited at grade intersections that is still yellow. And then on US 24 there there's a section west of Defiance to Indiana with at grade intersections that is orange and a section between Defiance and Napoleon with at grade intersections that is yellow.

Maybe the speed limit has something to do with it? I know 23 around Marion is 65. Not sure about 24 (other than I'm pretty sure it was 65 when I was on it last). 30 used to be 65, but I did post on another thread about seeing an article stating that it was going to 70 from Indiana all the way to Mansfield (except for the Upper Sandusky bypass)

There are two categories that display as Orange on Google Maps, Expressway and Freeway.

Freeways cannot have any at grade intersections, only interchanges.

Expressways can be a mix of at grade intersections and interchanges.

The full definition can be found here.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2016, 07:30:42 PM »

^ going by the definition in that link, I don't see why US 23 from just north of the OH 231 interchange north of Marion to the OH 229 intersection south of Waldo isn't an expressway. It's a 20 mile section that has 6 interchanges, only 3 at grade intersections, and a 65 mph speed limit. Perhaps no one has tried upgrading it?

As for the US 24 example mentioned above, I can see that one now. The Napoleon-Defiance section does have a much higher frequency of at grades than Defiance-Indiana.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2016, 11:46:21 PM »

^ going by the definition in that link, I don't see why US 23 from just north of the OH 231 interchange north of Marion to the OH 229 intersection south of Waldo isn't an expressway. It's a 20 mile section that has 6 interchanges, only 3 at grade intersections, and a 65 mph speed limit.

As far as I'm concerned, US 23 is an expressway from the Delaware – Marion County line to where it exits itself at Carey.
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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2016, 11:15:29 AM »

^ going by the definition in that link, I don't see why US 23 from just north of the OH 231 interchange north of Marion to the OH 229 intersection south of Waldo isn't an expressway. It's a 20 mile section that has 6 interchanges, only 3 at grade intersections, and a 65 mph speed limit.

As far as I'm concerned, US 23 is an expressway from the Delaware – Marion County line to where it exits itself at Carey.

I would tend to agree, but since the google definition says that "(at grade) intersections should be relatively rare and widely spaced" I didn't include the OH 231 to OH 199 section because it has 7 at grade intersections in a 7 mile stretch, including one with a state route.

I just now submitted an upgrade in map maker for the section from the first at grade intersection north of 231 to the Delaware County line, so I guess we'll see how that goes.
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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2016, 11:25:07 AM »

are there any real plans to upgrade us 23 to toledo to an interstate standard road?  Kind of weird that there isn't a freeway link there already. 
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2016, 11:38:15 AM »

are there any real plans to upgrade us 23 to toledo to an interstate standard road?  Kind of weird that there isn't a freeway link there already.

Not much reason to do 23 from Carey to Toledo, as that traffic already uses OH 15 to I-75, and there are plans to redo the 75/15 interchange and widen 75 from there all the way to Toledo (the widening from the north side of Findlay to Perrysburg is already under construction)

The real problem in the Toledo-Columbus corridor is Delaware County, where US 23 is highly developed and the only good workarounds involve cutting over to I-71 on either 2 lane roads or an also well developed 36-37 corridor that you must first traverse Delaware city streets to get to.
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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2016, 05:30:19 PM »

Well, this is kinda odd. My submission to upgrade the northbound carriageway of 23 to expressway in Marion County went through almost immediately. But the submission for the southbound carriageway is still pending.

So right now if you zoom in close enough on the map, 23 north is orange while 23 south is still yellow.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2016, 11:41:15 AM »

Well, this is kinda odd. My submission to upgrade the northbound carriageway of 23 to expressway in Marion County went through almost immediately. But the submission for the southbound carriageway is still pending.

So right now if you zoom in close enough on the map, 23 north is orange while 23 south is still yellow.

That is pretty odd. Who knows what goes through their minds at Google. Also, what is the deal with US 20?  There are freeway/expressway portions in and around Norwalk and Fremont, but not according to Google.....
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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2016, 09:57:16 PM »

Also, what is the deal with US 20?  There are freeway/expressway portions in and around Norwalk and Fremont, but not according to Google.....

Yeah, I might try editting those as well sometime.

anyway, here's an update on the SPUI being built at I-457 and US 20 (Central Ave) in Sylvania

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