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Re: Ohio
« Reply #475 on: April 19, 2021, 09:33:46 PM »

Oh yeah, Samuel DuBose. That might be a big factor too. It also resulted in UC Police ceasing off-campus driving-related stops.
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« Reply #476 on: April 22, 2021, 05:04:42 PM »

I wonder if the fact that all 5 of our bordering states are single plate had any effect as well

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #477 on: April 22, 2021, 06:12:43 PM »

I wonder if the fact that all 5 of our bordering states are single plate had any effect as well

I seem to recall that being mentioned in the news when the change was announced a couple years ago. I think it's likely that was included in supporting information given by proponents of the law in the state house.
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« Reply #478 on: April 22, 2021, 06:24:25 PM »

I actually didn't know they had a front plate requirement that was dropped in 2020, until a couple of weeks ago. My parents bought a Highlander back in 2013 at a Northern KY Toyota dealer, and they opted out of a front plate. Kind of can't believe they got away without having it for 7 years, considering that this car did get pulled over by a cop in Ohio once.
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« Reply #479 on: April 26, 2021, 07:06:22 PM »

Crossposted from the Ranking State Border Crossings thread. Either ODOT made an error below, or Wintersville/Steubenville really is a much larger city than I initially thought.
I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.
The numbers I got for Ohio are mostly reasonable, so I went with it. Most used crossings at major metro areas like Cincinnati and Toledo. Most interstates are above 4 lane US routes. The only one that's puzzling to me is US 22's 32k AADT at the WV border. US 22 is a freeway at that point, but Steubenville isn't that large of a city, and the 4 lane section dead ends at Cadiz on the Ohio side, though continues all the way as a 4 lane to I-376 on the east. The AADT number would've made more sense to me if it connected to I-70 at Cambridge as a freeway, as that would make a neat Columbus-Pittsburgh freeway corridor, except it doesn't.

2019 AADT of US 22 from Cambridge to WV Border
East of I-77 junction - 5.8k
Concurrency with OH 800 - 2.8k
West of US 250 junctions - 3k
Concurrency with US 250 - 8.5k
East of US 250 junctions - 8.7k
Concurrency with OH 151 - 10.5k
East of OH 151 eastern junction - 11.4k
East of OH 152 junction - 10k
West of OH 43 junction - 10.2k
East of OH 43 junction - 15.8k
West of John Scott Hwy junction - 18k
Between John Scott Hwy and OH 7 - 29k
Concurrency with OH 7 - 33.8k
WV Border - 32k

Actually, a lot of the local roads numbers near Steubenville seem high too, even with 2020 numbers. Especially the 20k on OH 43. Most of the busiest arterials in Cincinnati and Columbus don't even reach that high.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #480 on: May 08, 2021, 08:31:42 PM »

At that point of count, US Route 22 is multiplexed with OH Route 7. It's a busy area for north-south and a commuter route to and from Pittsburgh.

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« Reply #481 on: May 09, 2021, 11:40:29 AM »

Crossposted from the Ranking State Border Crossings thread. Either ODOT made an error below, or Wintersville/Steubenville really is a much larger city than I initially thought.
I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.
The numbers I got for Ohio are mostly reasonable, so I went with it. Most used crossings at major metro areas like Cincinnati and Toledo. Most interstates are above 4 lane US routes. The only one that's puzzling to me is US 22's 32k AADT at the WV border. US 22 is a freeway at that point, but Steubenville isn't that large of a city, and the 4 lane section dead ends at Cadiz on the Ohio side, though continues all the way as a 4 lane to I-376 on the east. The AADT number would've made more sense to me if it connected to I-70 at Cambridge as a freeway, as that would make a neat Columbus-Pittsburgh freeway corridor, except it doesn't.

2019 AADT of US 22 from Cambridge to WV Border
East of I-77 junction - 5.8k
Concurrency with OH 800 - 2.8k
West of US 250 junctions - 3k
Concurrency with US 250 - 8.5k
East of US 250 junctions - 8.7k
Concurrency with OH 151 - 10.5k
East of OH 151 eastern junction - 11.4k
East of OH 152 junction - 10k
West of OH 43 junction - 10.2k
East of OH 43 junction - 15.8k
West of John Scott Hwy junction - 18k
Between John Scott Hwy and OH 7 - 29k
Concurrency with OH 7 - 33.8k
WV Border - 32k

Actually, a lot of the local roads numbers near Steubenville seem high too, even with 2020 numbers. Especially the 20k on OH 43. Most of the busiest arterials in Cincinnati and Columbus don't even reach that high.


The numbers look reasonable to me.

Steubenville-Wintersville-Weirton is a decent size area (125k population) and the terrain of the area means there aren't many corridors. If you're driving west to east, you're either taking US 22 or SR 43 because those are the only roads that go east-west through here. Where I live in Morgantown, West Virginia, we have similar geographic constraints. We have several arterials in the 20,000 AADT range and one major corridor pushing 40K.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #482 on: May 17, 2021, 08:11:45 PM »

Couple of I-71 Cincinnati construction updates
- NB exit 8C (Ridge north), and Kennedy to NB 71 ramps have been closed, and pavement ripped out.
- ODOT lists the Ridge North detour on their site by using the Ridge South ramp, which makes sense, as left turn lanes exist on the Ridge south ramp. But when I used 71 yesterday, they had a different, and much indirect route for the detour, as seen in the (terrible quality) dashcam pic below. And the left turn lanes are still open, so it doesn't take that much thought that using Exit 8A is a better option than whatever BS detour ODOT actually signed.

BGS would very likely be replaced when the project finishes, which means that another button copy installation will be gone.

- North of the 562/Ridge/Kennedy complex, it seems like that a 4th lane is getting added on the right of the current lanes, along with a sound barrier. This may be the exit only lane for Red Bank, which is probably why a BGS with an "EXIT ONLY" panel was installed in the sign replacements not that long ago, even though there currently isn't an exit only lane.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #483 on: May 18, 2021, 09:45:21 PM »

Looks like the Lick Run Greenway on the west side of Cincy opened today. Means construction on Queen City Ave, which felt like it lasted forever and one of the worst roads to drive on in the area imo, is finally finished.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #484 on: May 19, 2021, 02:38:37 PM »

Looks like the Lick Run Greenway on the west side of Cincy opened today. Means construction on Queen City Ave, which felt like it lasted forever and one of the worst roads to drive on in the area imo, is finally finished.

They have not paved Queen City yet.  I heard yesterday that it won't be until later in the summer.  I look forward to that with mixed emotions - since I travel a short stretch of Queen City every morning.  Looking forward to smooth pavement but not the inevitable lane closures while it's happening.

Westwood Ave has been repaved since last fall, and has become a speedway. 
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #485 on: May 20, 2021, 09:16:35 AM »

Anyone know what these blue mile markers on the WB US 50 trumpet ramp off the Ohio River bridge onto the concurrency with OH 7/32 is for? It's in the Mile 5 range, which is strange as I'm pretty sure that US 50 is in the MM 200s at that point. Also it's posted every 0.1 mile on a ramp; ODOT normally does neither of those things with the blue mile markers, with the exception of 0.1 intervals in the Cincinnati area.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #486 on: May 20, 2021, 12:04:59 PM »

Anyone know what these blue mile markers on the WB US 50 trumpet ramp off the Ohio River bridge onto the concurrency with OH 7/32 is for? It's in the Mile 5 range, which is strange as I'm pretty sure that US 50 is in the MM 200s at that point. Also it's posted every 0.1 mile on a ramp; ODOT normally does neither of those things with the blue mile markers, with the exception of 0.1 intervals in the Cincinnati area.

That is based off of US 50's mileage in Washington County only instead of the entire state.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #487 on: May 20, 2021, 12:14:12 PM »

Like the old white square signs you used to see on state routes. Used to use those to count down how long it would take to get somewhere when I was bored in the car as a kid.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #488 on: May 21, 2021, 01:02:50 AM »

So, ODOT has put up an online survey concerning traveling US 23 in Delaware County.
https://publicinput.com/23connect?fbclid=IwAR2hTcA41UnsdrJwHo5bWofS0LvRI40WEmvuJFxAZb4f66Zg2C_iNeiRG7k
Be honest, or skew the results (surfing isn't getting enough love from ODOT).
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #489 on: May 21, 2021, 01:24:10 AM »

I'm not sure how seriously ODOT takes the agrees on the comments, but this one worded my suggestion pretty well.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #490 on: May 21, 2021, 04:25:59 PM »

Are there any plans to improve the Toledo to Columbus route? I 75 - US 68/OH 15 - US 23 works well until about Waldo, and then it all goes straight down the drain. A Super-2 from Waldo to a new I 71 exit at OH 521 would definitely improve matters, but for long-distance travelers it would be even better to run it through New Albany to I-70 or even all the way down to US 33 at Canal Winchester.
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« Reply #491 on: May 21, 2021, 04:35:12 PM »

Are there any plans to improve the Toledo to Columbus route? I 75 - US 68/OH 15 - US 23 works well until about Waldo, and then it all goes straight down the drain. A Super-2 from Waldo to a new I 71 exit at OH 521 would definitely improve matters, but for long-distance travelers it would be even better to run it through New Albany to I-70 or even all the way down to US 33 at Canal Winchester.
That is what the survey linked above is about.
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Re: Ohio
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #493 on: May 22, 2021, 12:38:28 AM »

Anyone know what these blue mile markers on the WB US 50 trumpet ramp off the Ohio River bridge onto the concurrency with OH 7/32 is for? It's in the Mile 5 range, which is strange as I'm pretty sure that US 50 is in the MM 200s at that point. Also it's posted every 0.1 mile on a ramp; ODOT normally does neither of those things with the blue mile markers, with the exception of 0.1 intervals in the Cincinnati area.

That is based off of US 50's mileage in Washington County only instead of the entire state.
Considering that those are the new mile markers with the wider width, and full cardinal direction name instead of an abbreviation, installed sometime in the last 8 years, kind of surprising that they still went with county based mile markers at that point. When OH 126 got its mile markers replaced, it switched from county mile markers starting at the Butler-Hamilton line to the state line at IN.

EDIT: Actually, OH 126's mile markers history is interesting.
- Old style mile marker (2015), MM 19 (County-based)
- New style mile marker (2016), MM 19 (County-based)
- New style mile marker (2017), MM 32 (State-based)
So the second one lasted for less than a year, before it was replaced by a similar one with mileage from the state line.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #494 on: May 22, 2021, 12:33:48 PM »

Anyone know what these blue mile markers on the WB US 50 trumpet ramp off the Ohio River bridge onto the concurrency with OH 7/32 is for? It's in the Mile 5 range, which is strange as I'm pretty sure that US 50 is in the MM 200s at that point. Also it's posted every 0.1 mile on a ramp; ODOT normally does neither of those things with the blue mile markers, with the exception of 0.1 intervals in the Cincinnati area.

That is based off of US 50's mileage in Washington County only instead of the entire state.
Considering that those are the new mile markers with the wider width, and full cardinal direction name instead of an abbreviation, installed sometime in the last 8 years, kind of surprising that they still went with county based mile markers at that point. When OH 126 got its mile markers replaced, it switched from county mile markers starting at the Butler-Hamilton line to the state line at IN.

EDIT: Actually, OH 126's mile markers history is interesting.
- Old style mile marker (2015), MM 19 (County-based)
- New style mile marker (2016), MM 19 (County-based)
- New style mile marker (2017), MM 32 (State-based)
So the second one lasted for less than a year, before it was replaced by a similar one with mileage from the state line.

It is surprising considering recent trends but there is another similar situation. US 68 in Clark County (near Springfield) had exit numbers added last year, but the numbers were based on the county's mileage instead of US 68's overall Ohio mileage.

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #495 on: May 24, 2021, 05:09:51 PM »

Mile markers start counting from the southern or western terminus of a road. At least when it comes to the interstate markers, a more valuable number would be something telling you how many more miles you have to go to the eastern or northern terminus. Maybe the top can say Mile X and the bottom miles to the other terminus number can show a negative number or an omega symbol or something like that.

When I'm driving, I always like to know how much longer I have until I get to the next state and I can only do that going westbound or southbound.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #496 on: May 24, 2021, 05:12:38 PM »

Crossposted from the Ranking State Border Crossings thread. Either ODOT made an error below, or Wintersville/Steubenville really is a much larger city than I initially thought.
I'm not sure about using volume data to rank the crossings. It makes sense to a certain extent, but then you have cases like NY 303 at the NJ line being almost twice as busy as I-86 at the PA line. Yet no one would argue that NY 303 is the more important crossing.
The numbers I got for Ohio are mostly reasonable, so I went with it. Most used crossings at major metro areas like Cincinnati and Toledo. Most interstates are above 4 lane US routes. The only one that's puzzling to me is US 22's 32k AADT at the WV border. US 22 is a freeway at that point, but Steubenville isn't that large of a city, and the 4 lane section dead ends at Cadiz on the Ohio side, though continues all the way as a 4 lane to I-376 on the east. The AADT number would've made more sense to me if it connected to I-70 at Cambridge as a freeway, as that would make a neat Columbus-Pittsburgh freeway corridor, except it doesn't.

2019 AADT of US 22 from Cambridge to WV Border
East of I-77 junction - 5.8k
Concurrency with OH 800 - 2.8k
West of US 250 junctions - 3k
Concurrency with US 250 - 8.5k
East of US 250 junctions - 8.7k
Concurrency with OH 151 - 10.5k
East of OH 151 eastern junction - 11.4k
East of OH 152 junction - 10k
West of OH 43 junction - 10.2k
East of OH 43 junction - 15.8k
West of John Scott Hwy junction - 18k
Between John Scott Hwy and OH 7 - 29k
Concurrency with OH 7 - 33.8k
WV Border - 32k

Actually, a lot of the local roads numbers near Steubenville seem high too, even with 2020 numbers. Especially the 20k on OH 43. Most of the busiest arterials in Cincinnati and Columbus don't even reach that high.


So roughly 150,000 cars a day cross state borders in that part of the state. That's a lot.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #497 on: May 31, 2021, 01:19:30 PM »

Mile markers start counting from the southern or western terminus of a road. At least when it comes to the interstate markers, a more valuable number would be something telling you how many more miles you have to go to the eastern or northern terminus. Maybe the top can say Mile X and the bottom miles to the other terminus number can show a negative number or an omega symbol or something like that.

When I'm driving, I always like to know how much longer I have until I get to the next state and I can only do that going westbound or southbound.

Your preference is from your personal driving situation. When I lived in St Louis, I did know how many more miles I needed to get home as I crossed Illinois on I-55, I-64, and I-70. Mile markers from the other direction may matter to you but that's more a function of your location than anything. XY coordinates traditionally start in the lower left or southwest corner. Unless you learned to draw coordinates in junior high using graph paper different from the rest of us.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #498 on: May 31, 2021, 07:21:11 PM »

Mile markers start counting from the southern or western terminus of a road. At least when it comes to the interstate markers, a more valuable number would be something telling you how many more miles you have to go to the eastern or northern terminus. Maybe the top can say Mile X and the bottom miles to the other terminus number can show a negative number or an omega symbol or something like that.

US-491 in Utah bucks that trend (despite listing it as a N/S route), but at least US-491 in Colorado follows the proper mileage markings.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #499 on: May 31, 2021, 10:48:31 PM »

US-491 in Utah bucks that trend (despite listing it as a N/S route), but at least US-491 in Colorado follows the proper mileage markings.

Is that from its origin as US 666?  Utah did have 491 posted east-west but changed it to north-south like the rest of the route in other states.  The western end became the northern end (so in theory all the mile markers would have to be moved so 0 is at the Colorado line instead of at the US 191 intersection).

In Ohio, I-680 is a notable route that has mileage increasing as you go south; it was done so that Mile 0 was at I-80, its parent.  As you go south away from I-80, the mile markers increase--an exception but reasonable.
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