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Re: Ohio
« Reply #500 on: June 01, 2021, 12:51:58 AM »


Your preference is from your personal driving situation. When I lived in St Louis, I did know how many more miles I needed to get home as I crossed Illinois on I-55, I-64, and I-70. Mile markers from the other direction may matter to you but that's more a function of your location than anything. XY coordinates traditionally start in the lower left or southwest corner. Unless you learned to draw coordinates in junior high using graph paper different from the rest of us.

In other words, even though they could be useful in the opposite direction (when they currently aren't) you don't to change them for no reason other than to be a jerk? Great reason.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #501 on: June 01, 2021, 10:12:37 AM »


Your preference is from your personal driving situation. When I lived in St Louis, I did know how many more miles I needed to get home as I crossed Illinois on I-55, I-64, and I-70. Mile markers from the other direction may matter to you but that's more a function of your location than anything. XY coordinates traditionally start in the lower left or southwest corner. Unless you learned to draw coordinates in junior high using graph paper different from the rest of us.

In other words, even though they could be useful in the opposite direction (when they currently aren't) you don't to change them for no reason other than to be a jerk? Great reason.

No. It's about standardization. States only want one set of mile markers and the standard location for the starting point is the lower left or SW corner. That it's inconvenient for you personally is just a function of the system. I had the same issue as you on Missouri interstates when I was driving across Missouri back to St Louis. It's immature to call someone a jerk just for explaining the system and you not liking the answer.
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« Reply #502 on: June 23, 2021, 01:59:20 PM »

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« Reply #503 on: June 23, 2021, 03:53:25 PM »

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« Reply #504 on: June 24, 2021, 02:27:39 PM »

Any chance of a freeway conversion along US 23 from Columbus to Waldo, or a full freeway conversion (remove all at-grade intersections) of 23 between Waldo and Upper Sandusky? Maybe a 23/15 freeway conversion from Upper Sandusky to Interstate 75 near Findlay?
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« Reply #505 on: June 24, 2021, 02:32:46 PM »

Any chance of a freeway conversion along US 23 from Columbus to Waldo, or a full freeway conversion (remove all at-grade intersections) of 23 between Waldo and Upper Sandusky? Maybe a 23/15 freeway conversion from Upper Sandusky to Interstate 75 near Findlay?
I doubt US 23 between I-270 and Waldo would become a freeway. Especially the section between Columbus and Delaware, it's too developed. The best case scenario with current conditions is a spur of I-71 (doesn't have to be an interstate) from a point just north of the US 36 interchange to US 23 just north of Waldo.
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« Reply #506 on: June 24, 2021, 03:40:36 PM »

Any chance of a freeway conversion along US 23 from Columbus to Waldo, or a full freeway conversion (remove all at-grade intersections) of 23 between Waldo and Upper Sandusky? Maybe a 23/15 freeway conversion from Upper Sandusky to Interstate 75 near Findlay?

I'm going to guess that US 23 will be an expressway at best, not a full freeway, much like US 24 and US 30 in northern Ohio. Several segments of US 23/SR 15 between Delaware and Findlay are low traffic with at-grade crossings that are unlikely to go away anytime soon. ODOT is making some marginal improvements closer to Marion that mimic changes that InDOT is making to US 31 north of Indianapolis, another good comparison to what US 23 will eventually become.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #507 on: June 24, 2021, 08:31:38 PM »

Any chance of a freeway conversion along US 23 from Columbus to Waldo, or a full freeway conversion (remove all at-grade intersections) of 23 between Waldo and Upper Sandusky? Maybe a 23/15 freeway conversion from Upper Sandusky to Interstate 75 near Findlay?
I doubt US 23 between I-270 and Waldo would become a freeway. Especially the section between Columbus and Delaware, it's too developed. The best case scenario with current conditions is a spur of I-71 (doesn't have to be an interstate) from a point just north of the US 36 interchange to US 23 just north of Waldo.

Yeah would have had to do that in the 20th century. There are a whole lot of businesses that would close if access was limited.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #508 on: June 30, 2021, 08:10:50 PM »

Interesting observation from a trucker who broadcasts his trips on YouTube: the new Ohio Turnpike main line toll plaza west of Toledo has an exit number tab on the BGS for the cash lanes right at the gore point.
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« Reply #509 on: June 30, 2021, 08:24:56 PM »

Interesting observation from a trucker who broadcasts his trips on YouTube: the new Ohio Turnpike main line toll plaza west of Toledo has an exit number tab on the BGS for the cash lanes right at the gore point.
Do you have a link to that video or stream?
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #510 on: June 30, 2021, 08:35:01 PM »

Interesting observation from a trucker who broadcasts his trips on YouTube: the new Ohio Turnpike main line toll plaza west of Toledo has an exit number tab on the BGS for the cash lanes right at the gore point.
Do you have a link to that video or stream?

Big Rig Steve's current trip.  He went through there a couple of hours ago as of this typing.

Is the section between there and the Indiana state line going to be a freeway instead?

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Re: Ohio
« Reply #511 on: July 01, 2021, 12:24:04 AM »

Interesting observation from a trucker who broadcasts his trips on YouTube: the new Ohio Turnpike main line toll plaza west of Toledo has an exit number tab on the BGS for the cash lanes right at the gore point.
Do you have a link to that video or stream?

Big Rig Steve's current trip.  He went through there a couple of hours ago as of this typing.

Is the section between there and the Indiana state line going to be a freeway instead?

Mike

Yes, but there will still be a toll plaza at MM 4 (Westgate). Between MM 4 and MM 49, the toll plazas at exits 13, 25, 34, and 39 will be demolished sometime in 2023. The same thing will happen east of MM 211 to MM 239 (Eastgate) WB/PA Turnpike's Gateway Toll Plaza EB with the toll plazas at 215/216, 218, 232, and 234 will also get demolished sometime in 2023.
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #512 on: July 01, 2021, 12:35:07 AM »

Interesting observation from a trucker who broadcasts his trips on YouTube: the new Ohio Turnpike main line toll plaza west of Toledo has an exit number tab on the BGS for the cash lanes right at the gore point.


Do you have a link to that video or stream?

Big Rig Steve's current trip.  He went through there a couple of hours ago as of this typing.

Is the section between there and the Indiana state line going to be a freeway instead?

Mike

The apparent signs are at 1:09:14 ( .

It is a good thing that the "usual" stuff in Chicago that I would drive to from NE Ohio was cancelled for the second year in a row, because the Turnpike looks miserable right now--not that it may be in better shape by a year from now.  The slowdown approaching the existing Westgate, 1 lane each way, is rotten.
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« Reply #513 on: July 02, 2021, 02:59:53 PM »

A photo of the OH 126 and US 22/3 roundabout project from their construction cameras online (facing north). It's starting to look like a roundabout! Also, signage choice on the bottom right is interesting, with an APL. Normally for roundabouts, I would've expected a diagrammatic.

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« Reply #514 on: July 02, 2021, 09:31:59 PM »

Isn't that smack dab in the middle of Historic Montgomery? Or was it relocated?
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« Reply #515 on: July 02, 2021, 09:41:36 PM »

Isn't that smack dab in the middle of Historic Montgomery? Or was it relocated?
A bit south of downtown Montgomery. It's in the same location as the old trumpet between those two roads. The roundabout also opens up the area east of the junction for future development.
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« Reply #516 on: July 03, 2021, 12:12:37 AM »

Isn't that smack dab in the middle of Historic Montgomery? Or was it relocated?
Isn't that smack dab in the middle of Historic Montgomery? Or was it relocated?
A bit south of downtown Montgomery. It's in the same location as the old trumpet between those two roads. The roundabout also opens up the area east of the junction for future development.

East end of Cross-County Highway, I believe.
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« Reply #517 on: July 03, 2021, 10:53:41 AM »

Oh I've got it now, I was at their north intersection since they are multiplexed for a bit. Looks like the site of the old Marge Schott Oldsmobile.
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« Reply #518 on: July 04, 2021, 02:28:48 AM »

Pet Peeve:

Ohio always botches signs. They can't seem to keep the US and Ohio route shields straight! Do other states also botch their signs as much as Ohio does?

Two pics: U.S. 36 in Mount Vernon and in Nellie. The US 62 shield is also botched southbound going into New Albany, and I see a botched Ohio 161 shield (upgraded to U.S. 161) off of Hamilton Road. I see this a lot!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o898F3CHDz0OEi9tkcm-3tOtplsGJZ3l/view?usp=sharing
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« Reply #519 on: July 04, 2021, 02:48:18 AM »

A photo of the OH 126 and US 22/3 roundabout project from their construction cameras online (facing north). It's starting to look like a roundabout! Also, signage choice on the bottom right is interesting, with an APL. Normally for roundabouts, I would've expected a diagrammatic.


Not a fan of roundabouts at busy intersections. US 33/Ohio 161 is very difficult to navigate. They should either leave the traffic lights alone or use roundabouts with traffic lights.
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« Reply #520 on: July 04, 2021, 09:02:14 AM »

Pet Peeve:

Ohio always botches signs. They can't seem to keep the US and Ohio route shields straight! Do other states also botch their signs as much as Ohio does?

Two pics: U.S. 36 in Mount Vernon and in Nellie. The US 62 shield is also botched southbound going into New Albany, and I see a botched Ohio 161 shield (upgraded to U.S. 161) off of Hamilton Road. I see this a lot!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o898F3CHDz0OEi9tkcm-3tOtplsGJZ3l/view?usp=sharing
There’s a reason why there’s so many Ohio examples in the “US/State routes mixup” thread.  :-D
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Re: Ohio
« Reply #521 on: July 04, 2021, 09:43:09 PM »

OH-674 magically became U.S. 674 at the U.S. 33 off-ramp in Canal Winchester.
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« Reply #522 on: July 04, 2021, 09:57:08 PM »

OH-674 magically became U.S. 674 at the U.S. 33 off-ramp in Canal Winchester.
North Carolina would appreciate that US route number there  :bigass:
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« Reply #523 on: July 04, 2021, 10:02:31 PM »

A photo of the OH 126 and US 22/3 roundabout project from their construction cameras online (facing north). It's starting to look like a roundabout! Also, signage choice on the bottom right is interesting, with an APL. Normally for roundabouts, I would've expected a diagrammatic.


Not a fan of roundabouts at busy intersections. US 33/Ohio 161 is very difficult to navigate. They should either leave the traffic lights alone or use roundabouts with traffic lights.
Correction: original crossing between the two roads was a trumpet interchange.

As for the roundabout itself, the traffic count isn’t too high, as most EB 126 traffic exits to I-71 a mile west, and traffic on Montgomery Rd is already pretty slow as it’s next to the downtown area. Quoted directly from the project page:
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The purpose of the roundabout project is to improve traffic patterns at the existing interchange of US 22 (Montgomery Road) and SR 126 (Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway) and along US 22 north of the interchange.

The City of Montgomery plans to redevelop the currently vacant area with office, retail, hotel, and residential uses that will require multiple access points along US 22 north of the interchange. The project will extend downtown Montgomery to the new intersection by providing a pedestrian-friendly environment.
Considering the planned mixed use development on the currently vacant east side of the junction, I think the roundabout is appropriate.
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« Reply #524 on: July 07, 2021, 08:26:24 PM »

The trumpet interchange was also "temporary" in that the cross-county freeway was never completed through Indian Hills and out toward US 50. It wasn't all that pedestrian-friendly in an area that is rapidly densifying next to downtown. They had plans years ago for developments just to the north of the interchange at the old dealership but the redevelopment of the interchange and the additional acreage sealed the deal.

 


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