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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1450 on: June 03, 2022, 05:05:51 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.

The mutual defense part of the NATO treaty is only mandatory for member countries' territories within North America and Europe.  So not only Hawaii, but the British territory of the Falkland Islands are not covered, territories in West Africa that were ruled by France at the time the NATO treaty was negotiated, even Spain's little inholding of Cueta in Africa is not covered.

Doesn't mean the other NATO countries necessarily ignore it if such territories were invaded, but they would have an out of they wanted one.


Yeah, like I said upthread, if Putin decided he wanted to nuke Honolulu, I doubt anyone would object to the US invoking Article 5.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1451 on: June 03, 2022, 05:09:16 PM »

Yeah, like I said upthread, if Putin decided he wanted to nuke Honolulu, I doubt anyone would object to the US invoking Article 5.

Except Putin, perhaps.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1452 on: June 06, 2022, 09:54:43 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1453 on: June 06, 2022, 09:59:08 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1454 on: June 06, 2022, 10:47:02 PM »

I had to tick down the president's list and Arkansas has every early president between Washington and Van Buren as a county namesake except Adams (both of them), funny enough.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1455 on: September 24, 2022, 04:03:57 PM »

It is possible to travel due south from Arkansas into all six of the states it borders.
In Northern Maine it is possible to travel due south on US 1 North.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1456 on: September 24, 2022, 06:04:00 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
Hawaii is one of the 50 United States, which is decidedly a member of NATO. Let's let Putin take a free whack at it and find out.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1457 on: September 24, 2022, 06:31:50 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
Hawaii is one of the 50 United States, which is decidedly a member of NATO. Let's let Putin take a free whack at it and find out.

Yes, but Article 6 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that NATO's "area of responsibility" only goes as far south as the Tropic of Cancer. This is because 1) the United States did not want to guarantee protection to the European powers' remaining colonies in Africa and 2) Hawaii wasn't a state yet when the North Atlantic Treaty was signed, so the US did not have any more reason to include Hawaii than it did any of its territories in the South Pacific.

As I said before, in practice, I don't think it would make much of a difference. I would imagine that if Hawaii were to be attacked, much of NATO would respond exactly the same as they would to an attack on any other US state. It's just that the other members of NATO would not be compelled to respond in the way they would be if Article 5 of the treaty were invoked. It would be a "NATO without NATO" sort of response, like the US-led coalition that conducted the Iraq War.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1458 on: September 25, 2022, 09:22:29 PM »

I knew this day would be coming.  Raleigh (mostly in Wake County) now extends west into Durham County.  Durham (mostly Durham County, duh) has crossed over west into Orange County for some time, and now extends east into Wake County.  Cary (mostly in Wake County) now extends southwest into Chatham County.  And Chapel Hill (mostly in Orange County), also extends east into Durham County and now extends south into Chatham County, as well.

Looking into the future... 
Mebane (mostly in Alamance County) is expanding so quickly eastward into Orange County that it would not surprise me that someday it will have more residents east of the line than in its home county.  Mebane's extrajurisdictional authority now extends almost to the Efland exit.  Traditionally, Triangle employees were moving west away from the higher taxes into Alamance County.  More recently, some of the Triad's employees are moving east into Orange County for the school system.  Nowadays, employees coming to the Triangle are moving anywhere within a 90-minute drive wherever they can find a house or land.  Ouch.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1459 on: September 26, 2022, 02:31:53 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
Hawaii is one of the 50 United States, which is decidedly a member of NATO. Let's let Putin take a free whack at it and find out.

By similar logic, neither is French Guiana. By the way, France's longest frontier is with ....






wait for it ...










Brazil!
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1460 on: September 26, 2022, 03:51:17 PM »

I found out that due how article 5 of NATO is worded neither Ceuta nor Melilla aren't part of it, but the Canary Islands are. Weird.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1461 on: September 26, 2022, 04:09:45 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
Hawaii is one of the 50 United States, which is decidedly a member of NATO. Let's let Putin take a free whack at it and find out.

Doesn't matter.  The United States is perfectly capable of defending Hawaii without requiring a response from other NATO countries.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1462 on: September 26, 2022, 04:21:25 PM »

I recently learned that Hawaii is not part of NATO.
Neither is Mississippi. Damn.

How do you figure? The reason Hawaii isn't technically part of NATO, so far as I can tell, is because it's south of the Tropic of Cancer.
Hawaii is one of the 50 United States, which is decidedly a member of NATO. Let's let Putin take a free whack at it and find out.

Doesn't matter.  The United States is perfectly capable of defending Hawaii without requiring a response from other NATO countries.
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Re: This is true? - Geographic oddities that defy conventional wisdom
« Reply #1463 on: September 26, 2022, 04:32:49 PM »

I found out that due how article 5 of NATO is worded neither Ceuta nor Melilla aren't part of it, but the Canary Islands are. Weird.

I would guess by this logic, neither is Gitmo
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