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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1775 on: April 05, 2020, 03:59:45 PM »

Road was so empty, I was quite thankful for cruise control just to keep my speed down!
In the general purpose lanes (55 mph) or HO/T lanes (65 mph)?

It'd be tempting to do at least 75 mph in either road with how wide that highway is!
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1776 on: April 05, 2020, 04:11:35 PM »

General-purpose lanes. The closest exit to my momís house is Route 236, so the HO/T lanes donít help me get there. I set the cruise control at 65 in the mainline and I was far from the fastest person but not the slowest. At least one car that passed me was going at least 85.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1777 on: April 05, 2020, 06:31:07 PM »

General-purpose lanes. The closest exit to my momís house is Route 236, so the HO/T lanes donít help me get there. I set the cruise control at 65 in the mainline and I was far from the fastest person but not the slowest. At least one car that passed me was going at least 85.

Thatís how I usually cruise the beltway.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1778 on: April 05, 2020, 06:45:03 PM »

General-purpose lanes. The closest exit to my momís house is Route 236, so the HO/T lanes donít help me get there. I set the cruise control at 65 in the mainline and I was far from the fastest person but not the slowest. At least one car that passed me was going at least 85.
Drove on I-264 down here today, speed limit 55 mph, was doing around 63 - 65 mph, and was the slowest car. Most traffic was averaging above 70 mph. Wide open 8-lane highway. Ended up bumping up to about 70 mph, still was passed numerous times.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1779 on: April 15, 2020, 06:48:21 PM »

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There are two overturned vehicles. I wonder how fast someone was going. BTW, yesterday at around 2:00 PM the toll was $2.00 from the Pentagon to Turkeycock. I forgot to look to see what it was beyond there because we werenít paying anyway due to having three of us in the car. We were also the only vehicle in there until a construction vehicle entered from Seminary.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1780 on: April 15, 2020, 10:59:07 PM »

BTW, yesterday at around 2:00 PM the toll was $2.00 from the Pentagon to Turkeycock. I forgot to look to see what it was beyond there because we werenít paying anyway due to having three of us in the car. We were also the only vehicle in there until a construction vehicle entered from Seminary.

Wonder if Transurban is going to be able to service its bonded indebtedness with a crash in toll revenues on the I-95, I-395 and I-495 HOV/Toll projects?
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1781 on: April 16, 2020, 01:18:53 AM »

BTW, yesterday at around 2:00 PM the toll was $2.00 from the Pentagon to Turkeycock. I forgot to look to see what it was beyond there because we werenít paying anyway due to having three of us in the car. We were also the only vehicle in there until a construction vehicle entered from Seminary.

Wonder if Transurban is going to be able to service its bonded indebtedness with a crash in toll revenues on the I-95, I-395 and I-495 HOV/Toll projects?
Iím more curious about their VA-895 facility in Richmond. It already is a underutilized roadway, I canít imagine the numbers now.

I took a ride on it one Friday afternoon near rush hour to avoid Downtown Richmond in early March, before the restrictions and shut downs, and it was practically empty. A few dozen cars passing along its entire length, mostly on its western end near I-95.

Itís high toll over $4 doesnít help either.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1782 on: April 16, 2020, 06:02:54 PM »

BTW, yesterday at around 2:00 PM the toll was $2.00 from the Pentagon to Turkeycock. I forgot to look to see what it was beyond there because we werenít paying anyway due to having three of us in the car. We were also the only vehicle in there until a construction vehicle entered from Seminary.

Wonder if Transurban is going to be able to service its bonded indebtedness with a crash in toll revenues on the I-95, I-395 and I-495 HOV/Toll projects?
Iím more curious about their VA-895 facility in Richmond. It already is a underutilized roadway, I canít imagine the numbers now.

I took a ride on it one Friday afternoon near rush hour to avoid Downtown Richmond in early March, before the restrictions and shut downs, and it was practically empty. A few dozen cars passing along its entire length, mostly on its western end near I-95.

Itís high toll over $4 doesnít help either.

I'm already predicting another toll hike here when all of this mess is over.

You heard it here first folks :-D
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1783 on: April 16, 2020, 06:55:24 PM »

BTW, yesterday at around 2:00 PM the toll was $2.00 from the Pentagon to Turkeycock. I forgot to look to see what it was beyond there because we werenít paying anyway due to having three of us in the car. We were also the only vehicle in there until a construction vehicle entered from Seminary.

Wonder if Transurban is going to be able to service its bonded indebtedness with a crash in toll revenues on the I-95, I-395 and I-495 HOV/Toll projects?
Iím more curious about their VA-895 facility in Richmond. It already is a underutilized roadway, I canít imagine the numbers now.

I took a ride on it one Friday afternoon near rush hour to avoid Downtown Richmond in early March, before the restrictions and shut downs, and it was practically empty. A few dozen cars passing along its entire length, mostly on its western end near I-95.

Itís high toll over $4 doesnít help either.

I'm already predicting another toll hike here when all of this mess is over.

You heard it here first folks :-D
Iím also predicting more shunpiking if its hiked - more so than there is now. Could volumes get down to 5,000 AADT?

See VA-168 in Chesapeake as an example of what happens when you hike a toll from $2 to $3 off peak and from $2 to $6 then to $8 on peak weekends. Tourists still pay it since thatís normal price for northeastern states, but a lot do avoid it as well. VA-895 doesnít carry much thru traffic though, mainly local, so a hike could hurt volumes.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1784 on: August 16, 2020, 06:24:15 PM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1785 on: August 16, 2020, 07:03:05 PM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.
I believe the speed limit will be posted at 70 mph south of Stafford in the Express Lanes once the extension is complete. State law would need to be changed to legally post anything above 70 mph.

If Virginia increased the maximum speed limit to 75 mph, there's a whole lot more than just the Express Lanes that could be increased, namely hundreds of miles of rural interstate highway. I'd rather see efforts for maximum speed limit increases be more directed toward increasing non-limited-access divided highways from 60 to 65 mph.

At one point, IIRC, the now-dead US-460 toll road between Petersburg and Suffolk had a proposal that would accommodate a 75 mph speed limit, though obviously never came to fruition.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1786 on: August 16, 2020, 07:37:12 PM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.

You're not going to see a speed limit of 75. Period.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1787 on: August 16, 2020, 08:36:25 PM »

A member of the House of Delegates introduced a bill a few years ago that would have allowed 80-mph speed limits on toll roads, including HO/T lanes. Not surprisingly, it didnít make out of the subcommittee.

VDOT is reportedly planning to post the I-66 HO/T lanes outside the Beltway at 70 mph, but Iíll believe that when I see it. If anything, maybe they might post that west of either Fair Oaks or Centreville, but Iíll be mildly surprised if they post it the whole way.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1788 on: August 17, 2020, 08:18:40 AM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.

You're not going to see a speed limit of 75. Period.

Why not?
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1789 on: August 17, 2020, 08:28:18 AM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.

You're not going to see a speed limit of 75. Period.

Why not?

Because the General Assembly won't pass it, especially not given the current party breakdown in both chambers. Even if they did pass it, the current governor would almost surely veto it. A 75-mph bill would be highly unlikely to make it out of committee at all. The 2010 bill that led to the current statute had Gov. McDonnell's supportóhe made 70-mph speed limits a campaign issueóand his party controlled both chambers.
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óOlaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"óKolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1790 on: August 17, 2020, 09:42:38 AM »

^

Iím surprised the governor did not veto the increase in reckless driving threshold from 80 to 85 mph a few months back.
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1791 on: August 17, 2020, 09:55:04 AM »

^

Iím surprised the governor did not veto the increase in reckless driving threshold from 80 to 85 mph a few months back.

I was mildly surprised it made it to the governor at all. In the past, that sort of thing has usually died in committee.
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"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
óOlaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1792 on: August 17, 2020, 01:01:53 PM »

I hope VDOT sets the express lane speed limit at 75 south of Potomac Mills once the extension to Fredericksburg opens. Variable speed limit signs may be necessary to facilitate this. Higher speed limits will attract drivers during off-peak times.

You're not going to see a speed limit of 75. Period.

I agree - for one simple reason - I do not think any freeway in Northern Virginia has a design speed higher than 70 MPH. 
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Re: Northern Virginia HOT Lanes
« Reply #1793 on: August 17, 2020, 03:10:30 PM »

Everyone has made great points. I also believe 75 will never be allowed, but Iíve seen a speed limit of 75 on HOT lanes in Texas within more complex freeway designs than I-95 through Prince William and Stafford County. Personally I donít believe it would be politically acceptable as a permanent static speed limit, but as a speed limit for off peak times within a variable speed limit zone through what is mostly undeveloped forest it definitely would work. Virginia is no longer the same politically.

Note: My post is dependent on design speeds for the HOT lanes which would safely allow a speed limit of 75 south of Dale City.
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