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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #225 on: November 22, 2018, 08:29:13 AM »

I'm presuming there will be "Last Exit Before Toll" signs somewhere? If so, where?

I am rather curious to see how this ends up. The last "exit" available before toll will be the at-grade intersection at MD 299/Sassafrass Rd. The logical shunpike route for northbound traffic will involve making a left turn at this intersection, currently a low-volume movement controlled only by a yield sign for left-turning traffic and a flashing yellow light for southbound US 301.

I suspect Maryland will end up needing to make some modifications to this intersection in order to deal with the shunpikers. This would logically entail either converting it to an actual signal, or banning turns for northbound traffic in which case the interchange at MD 290 becomes the last legal exit before toll.

Either way, any signage warning of the upcoming toll would be in Maryland and thus presumably up to SHA to install and maintain. So this will, at least in the near term, depend on how well DelDOT has coordinated with them.
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« Reply #226 on: November 22, 2018, 09:01:59 AM »

I suspect Maryland will end up needing to make some modifications to this intersection in order to deal with the shunpikers. This would logically entail either converting it to an actual signal, or banning turns for northbound traffic in which case the interchange at MD 290 becomes the last legal exit before toll.
It wouldn't be hard to make that northbound left turn a CFI swinging outside the weigh station. But it's even easier to ban left turns and send traffic through Sassafras.
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« Reply #227 on: November 22, 2018, 11:17:25 AM »

I think they have to really think about what road will continue past the weigh station because they don’t want people to see the Toll sign & automatically get off & drive thru middletown again, causing traffic back ups again. They will probably make it a little difficult, so traffic wont even waste their time trying to get off & they will just end up driving on the 301 anyway.


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« Reply #228 on: November 23, 2018, 02:29:23 PM »

I wonder if some of the more local traffic is going to pick up on this even simpler bypass using Edgar Price Road and DE 15:



If SHA ever decided to close the left turns at MD 299 I could see this getting busier.

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« Reply #229 on: November 23, 2018, 03:31:30 PM »

I wonder if some of the more local traffic is going to pick up on this even simpler bypass using Edgar Price Road and DE 15:



If SHA ever decided to close the left turns at MD 299 I could see this getting busier.
That right turn is easier then the left turn aint it? & that is a simple bypass, Surprised that isnt another spur road.


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« Reply #230 on: November 23, 2018, 06:28:51 PM »

I wonder if some of the more local traffic is going to pick up on this even simpler bypass using Edgar Price Road and DE 15:



If SHA ever decided to close the left turns at MD 299 I could see this getting busier.

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« Reply #231 on: November 23, 2018, 06:31:43 PM »

I wonder if some of the more local traffic is going to pick up on this even simpler bypass using Edgar Price Road and DE 15:



If SHA ever decided to close the left turns at MD 299 I could see this getting busier.

Image is giving me a 403 error, anyone else?




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« Reply #232 on: December 03, 2018, 12:46:31 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #233 on: December 03, 2018, 12:56:39 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...

Not surprising. Google jumps the gun on lots of things, including interstate designations. Our personnel have tried to get them without success to remove some of the markers that are only "future" at this time. And they won't change a wrong number they have listed for one of our facilities.
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« Reply #234 on: December 03, 2018, 01:00:30 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...

Not surprising. Google jumps the gun on lots of things, including interstate designations. Our personnel have tried to get them without success to remove some of the markers that are only "future" at this time. And they won't change a wrong number they have listed for one of our facilities.
Yeah, DelDOT is dealing with the same thing.  As one member wrote...GPS is not god.
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« Reply #235 on: December 03, 2018, 01:02:29 PM »

They have the whole thing marked, and not even as a freeway, nor did they "unyellow" the old road.
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« Reply #236 on: December 03, 2018, 02:31:59 PM »

Huh, so they have. Wow.

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« Reply #237 on: December 03, 2018, 03:10:29 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...

Not surprising. Google jumps the gun on lots of things, including interstate designations. Our personnel have tried to get them without success to remove some of the markers that are only "future" at this time. And they won't change a wrong number they have listed for one of our facilities.

And yet, it took weeks for them to recognize the new I-95 ramps in PA with the PA Turnpike, which some people saying that Google only does updates periodically.

Clearly the excuses are going both ways.
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« Reply #238 on: December 03, 2018, 03:49:38 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...

Not surprising. Google jumps the gun on lots of things, including interstate designations. Our personnel have tried to get them without success to remove some of the markers that are only "future" at this time. And they won't change a wrong number they have listed for one of our facilities.

And yet, it took weeks for them to recognize the new I-95 ramps in PA with the PA Turnpike, which some people saying that Google only does updates periodically.

Clearly the excuses are going both ways.
That was my first thought when I saw this.
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« Reply #239 on: December 03, 2018, 06:54:19 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...
Don't tell them. It's so close to opening that if they revert it, they'll be weeks late all over again.

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« Reply #240 on: December 03, 2018, 09:21:33 PM »

Okay, here's something interesting, if you try to get directions from Warwick MD to Wilmington DE on Google Maps, it sends you up the new 301 expressway, which hasn't opened yet...
Don't tell them. It's so close to opening that if they revert it, they'll be weeks late all over again.

Only report 301 still being shown on its original alignment if it's still like that when it actually opens.
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« Reply #241 on: December 03, 2018, 09:23:56 PM »

When does the 301 open? On Christmas?


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« Reply #242 on: December 03, 2018, 09:49:03 PM »

When does the 301 open? On Christmas?
New Years 2019

Oh wow this is my 301st post.  :-D
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« Reply #243 on: December 04, 2018, 01:05:40 AM »

When does the 301 open? On Christmas?
New Years 2019

Oh wow this is my 301st post.  :-D
The last thing they had said was December. Whoops. And congrats!

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« Reply #244 on: December 04, 2018, 01:25:11 AM »

When does the 301 open? On Christmas?
New Years 2019

Oh wow this is my 301st post.  :-D
The last thing they had said was December. Whoops. And congrats!
Yea thats what I remember hearing, a December opening. Maybe that might be in the next week or two, Im ready to spend $4 to drive on the new 301!!!!


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« Reply #245 on: December 12, 2018, 06:05:39 AM »

Don't know if this has been mentioned, but go to https://blogs.deldot.gov/category/us301/us-301-project-updates/ and click on the blue portion of the line "Written on: [date written on] in US 301 Project Updates, US301" for the latest update.

This week, the link still shows bridge work, widening on U.S. 13, and paving work at the state line.

As for promotion of the toll road, I received a postcard from DelDot yesterday promoting the new toll road.  I believe I'm on DelDOT's mailing list. Has anyone else received this postcard?  It still shows 1/1/2019 as the projected opening date.  I agree that officials probably won't give up a holiday to cut a ribbon, but back in the day, July 4 IIRC was a favorite holiday to break ground for major projects or celebrate completion (breaking ground for the first stretch of the B&O Railroad comes to my mind).

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« Reply #246 on: December 12, 2018, 06:39:03 AM »

Yea thats what I remember hearing, a December opening. Maybe that might be in the next week or two, Im ready to spend $4 to drive on the new 301!!!!

Is that $4 each way, and does the amount vary by time?
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« Reply #247 on: December 12, 2018, 07:33:41 AM »

Yea thats what I remember hearing, a December opening. Maybe that might be in the next week or two, Im ready to spend $4 to drive on the new 301!!!!

Is that $4 each way, and does the amount vary by time?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTollRateUS301
There's two tolls on the facility - one that is $3 when you cross the state line, plus another $1 to enter & exit the highway. Local traffic would pay $1, and a thru traveler or local traffic crossing the state line would pay $4.

As far as I'm aware, there's no off-peak or peak times, it's always that toll rate.

I honestly think it's messed up to charge $4 simply to cross the state line, especially if you're not going using the facility for more than 2 miles. It now forces local traffic down narrow 2 lane roads just to enter the town without having to pay $4 each time. IMO, the toll should be waived for locals in that area, as long as they don't ride the entire facility from the state line to SR 1.
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Re: U.S. 301 toll road project in Delaware
« Reply #248 on: December 12, 2018, 09:19:24 AM »

Is that $4 each way, and does the amount vary by time?
https://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTollRateUS301
There's two tolls on the facility - one that is $3 when you cross the state line, plus another $1 to enter & exit the highway. Local traffic would pay $1, and a thru traveler or local traffic crossing the state line would pay $4.
As far as I'm aware, there's no off-peak or peak times, it's always that toll rate.
I honestly think it's messed up to charge $4 simply to cross the state line, especially if you're not going using the facility for more than 2 miles. It now forces local traffic down narrow 2 lane roads just to enter the town without having to pay $4 each time. IMO, the toll should be waived for locals in that area, as long as they don't ride the entire facility from the state line to SR 1.

So you won't be able to connect between MD US-301 and DE-299 to Odessa without paying a $4 toll?  That's awful.
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« Reply #249 on: December 12, 2018, 09:24:42 AM »

I honestly think it's messed up to charge $4 simply to cross the state line, especially if you're not going using the facility for more than 2 miles.
I agree but I-95 just north of the Elkton, MD/Newark, DE border has been charging that rate for years.
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