AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

New rules for political content in signatures and user profiles. See this thread for details.

Author Topic: ICC Intercounty Connector  (Read 242743 times)

1995hoo

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10736
  • Age: 46
  • Location: Fairfax County, Virginia
  • Last Login: Today at 05:37:11 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #500 on: November 06, 2014, 04:18:59 PM »

As I recall, they also went with a CFI at US 1.

You are correct, and here is the "fact sheet" they published about it:

http://roads.maryland.gov/OC/CFI_Fact_Sheet_.pdf
Logged
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

NJRoadfan

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1395
  • Location: New Jersey
  • Last Login: February 26, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #501 on: November 06, 2014, 05:31:46 PM »

Does this mean the perpetual speed camera construction zone is finally coming to an end?
Logged

BrianP

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 452
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: February 21, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #502 on: November 07, 2014, 10:05:57 AM »

They were even alerting about the opening of the ICC to US 1 on a VMS on I-270 today.
Logged

DeaconG

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 697
  • Location: Port St. John, FL
  • Last Login: November 29, 2019, 10:16:30 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #503 on: November 07, 2014, 11:40:23 AM »

Does this mean the perpetual speed camera construction zone is finally coming to an end?

No, it now means the perpetual speed camera revenue enhancement zone begins...
Logged
Dawnstar: "You're an ape! And you can talk!"
King Solovar: "And you're a human with wings! Reality holds surprises for everyone!"
-Crisis On Infinite Earths #2

lepidopteran

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 532
  • Location: Baltimore/DC area
  • Last Login: Today at 01:57:09 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #504 on: November 07, 2014, 01:08:54 PM »

They were even alerting about the opening of the ICC to US 1 on a VMS on I-270 today.

And on I-95 (is it possible to post a full-size picture from Flickr?)
Logged

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #505 on: November 07, 2014, 01:20:14 PM »

Does this mean the perpetual speed camera construction zone is finally coming to an end?
No, it now means the perpetual speed camera revenue enhancement zone begins...

I am not aware of any speed camera enforcement on any freeway in Maryland, with the exception of construction zones, where signs warning of automated enforcement are posted well in advance.
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

TheOneKEA

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: Today at 04:53:29 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #506 on: November 08, 2014, 06:29:10 PM »

The only thing that annoys me about this extension is that the off-road multipurpose trail doesn't go any further than Virginia Manor Road. That interchange on I-95 would be awesome to see on foot or from a bike if the trail continued west to Old Gunpowder Road.
Logged

Mapmikey

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2802
  • Co-curator with Froggie of www.vahighways.com

  • Age: 50
  • Last Login: Today at 08:08:17 PM
    • Co-curator Virginia Highways Project
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #507 on: November 08, 2014, 09:48:50 PM »

They were even alerting about the opening of the ICC to US 1 on a VMS on I-270 today.

And on I-95 (is it possible to post a full-size picture from Flickr?)


The MD 200 extension to US 1 was open when I drove by there around 7 this evening after a day of clinching tons of Maryland routes...

Mapmikey
Logged

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #508 on: November 08, 2014, 10:41:17 PM »

They were even alerting about the opening of the ICC to US 1 on a VMS on I-270 today.

And on I-95 (is it possible to post a full-size picture from Flickr?)


The MD 200 extension to US 1 was open when I drove by there around 7 this evening after a day of clinching tons of Maryland routes...

Mapmikey

Md. 200 opened to U.S. 1 shortly after dusk tonight.  Will try to snap some images tomorrow.
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

TheOneKEA

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: Today at 04:53:29 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #509 on: November 09, 2014, 11:05:48 AM »

I will be interested to see if there are any opinion pieces in the Sun or the WaPo about the completion of the ICC. I will be curious about public opinion of the ICC now that it is finished, for now.

I will also be interested to see if the land owners around the area start advertising their plans.
Logged

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #510 on: November 09, 2014, 06:27:20 PM »

I will be interested to see if there are any opinion pieces in the Sun or the WaPo about the completion of the ICC. I will be curious about public opinion of the ICC now that it is finished, for now.

I will also be interested to see if the land owners around the area start advertising their plans.

A fair chunk of the planned Konterra property is well through the M-NCP&PC Prince George's County approval process.
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #511 on: November 09, 2014, 06:32:25 PM »

The only thing that annoys me about this extension is that the off-road multipurpose trail doesn't go any further than Virginia Manor Road. That interchange on I-95 would be awesome to see on foot or from a bike if the trail continued west to Old Gunpowder Road.

The discontiguous multipurpose trail along Md. 200 is a major sore subject with me (otherwise everything about the road is great) and the blame for that belongs to the County Councils, Planning Boards and the M-NCP&PC planning staffs of both counties  for not insisting on a trail all the way from Md. 119 to U.S. 1. Do not blame the State Highway Administration and do not blame the Maryland Transportation Authority - the state agencies would have built it if the counties had been more aggressive in supporting it.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2014, 06:35:38 PM by cpzilliacus »
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

froggie

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10983
  • Location: Greensboro, VT
  • Last Login: Today at 08:41:41 AM
    • Froggie's Place
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #512 on: November 10, 2014, 07:44:48 AM »

MdTA may have some blame for that...I was under the distinct impression at the time that the unbuilt parts of the trail were cut in order to "cut costs".
Logged

TheOneKEA

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: Today at 04:53:29 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #513 on: November 10, 2014, 09:58:38 AM »

MdTA may have some blame for that...I was under the distinct impression at the time that the unbuilt parts of the trail were cut in order to "cut costs".

That was my impression too. I am certainly grateful that any portion of the trail was built at all but a complete trail from MD 119 to US 1 would have been a tremendously valuable transportation resource.
Logged

Henry

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 5352
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Chicago, IL/Seattle, WA
  • Last Login: Today at 09:45:35 AM
    • Henry Watson's Online Freeway
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #514 on: November 10, 2014, 12:18:30 PM »

Theoretically, it could be extended to the B-W Parkway or even US 50 in the east, and VA 28 in the west, because it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken. But the current route is a good start for now.
Logged
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

NE2

  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 13966
  • fuck

  • Age: 11
  • Location: central Florida
  • Last Login: Today at 09:33:39 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #515 on: November 10, 2014, 01:52:12 PM »

it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken.
Nope. The Outer Beltway alignment at I-270 is Montrose Parkway. The once-planned alignment is pretty obvious: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0717/-77.0782

On the other hand, it could be easily extended up I-270 to Hagerstown, I-70 to Kansas City, and the old Oregon Trail and US 20 to Yellowstone.
Logged
Florida route log | pre-1945
I will do my best to not make America hate again.
Global warming denial is barely worse than white privilege denial.

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #516 on: November 11, 2014, 12:37:56 AM »

MdTA may have some blame for that...I was under the distinct impression at the time that the unbuilt parts of the trail were cut in order to "cut costs".

Not MdTA, but SHA. 

However, both of the agencies above pay close attention to the county governments in situations like this - and both County Councils and their respective Planning Boards and planning staffs totally fell-down on the job. 

The Montgomery County planners were (for inexplicable reasons) not willing to go to the mat with regulators from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, who claimed that having a separate bike/pedestrian trail next to the six lanes (plus shoulders) of Md. 200 would somehow damage the cold waters of the Paint Branch of the Anacostia River - a claim that was (and remains) ridiculous on its face. 
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

TheOneKEA

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 274
  • Last Login: Today at 04:53:29 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #517 on: November 11, 2014, 08:52:17 AM »

Agreed.

One other note about this new extension for the sign people: one of the original Exit 20 signs for Virginia Manor Road has been hilariously badly patched to read Konterra Drive instead. It's almost comical.

Also, the Exit 19C westbound sign for the C-D lane loop ramp to Contee Road and MD 198 hasn't been unpatched yet.
Logged

froggie

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10983
  • Location: Greensboro, VT
  • Last Login: Today at 08:41:41 AM
    • Froggie's Place
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #518 on: November 11, 2014, 08:56:13 AM »

Quote
The Montgomery County planners were (for inexplicable reasons) not willing to go to the mat with regulators from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, who claimed that having a separate bike/pedestrian trail next to the six lanes (plus shoulders) of Md. 200 would somehow damage the cold waters of the Paint Branch of the Anacostia River - a claim that was (and remains) ridiculous on its face.

If that's truly the case, then perhaps the CoE shouldn't have allowed a permit for ANY of the ICC.  To allow a permit for a 6-lane freeway but not for a bike/ped path on the same corridor is pretty ludicrous.

Quote
Theoretically, it could be extended to the B-W Parkway or even US 50 in the east, and VA 28 in the west, because it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken. But the current route is a good start for now.

Besides what SPUI mentioned, neither VA 28 nor the Franconia-Springfield Parkway were ever part of the Outer Beltway proposal.  The Outer Beltway would have crossed I-66 near Stringfellow Rd and I-95 just north of the US 1/Woodbridge interchange.
Logged

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #519 on: November 11, 2014, 11:35:11 AM »

it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken.
Nope. The Outer Beltway alignment at I-270 is Montrose Parkway. The once-planned alignment is pretty obvious: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0717/-77.0782

Spui, that was superseded long ago by a crossing further to the north and west.  That is why the I-370/I-270 interchange stands where it does.
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #520 on: November 11, 2014, 11:39:05 AM »

Quote
The Montgomery County planners were (for inexplicable reasons) not willing to go to the mat with regulators from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, who claimed that having a separate bike/pedestrian trail next to the six lanes (plus shoulders) of Md. 200 would somehow damage the cold waters of the Paint Branch of the Anacostia River - a claim that was (and remains) ridiculous on its face.

If that's truly the case, then perhaps the CoE shouldn't have allowed a permit for ANY of the ICC.  To allow a permit for a 6-lane freeway but not for a bike/ped path on the same corridor is pretty ludicrous.

Yup - you hit the nail right on the head. 

It was (IMO) a bone thrown to staff people at the Corps and EPA Region III in Philadelphia, some of whom had been opposing any Clean Water Act Section 404 permits for the ICC since the Reagan Administration (and, I strongly suspect, engaging in ex-parte private meetings with ICC opponents to discuss ways to stop the project).

But this also demonstrates that the members of both County Councils, in spite of their  claims about wanting more people to ride bikes, are unwilling to back-up such claims with action.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 11:44:33 AM by cpzilliacus »
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

NE2

  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 13966
  • fuck

  • Age: 11
  • Location: central Florida
  • Last Login: Today at 09:33:39 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #521 on: November 11, 2014, 11:45:32 AM »

it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken.
Nope. The Outer Beltway alignment at I-270 is Montrose Parkway. The once-planned alignment is pretty obvious: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0717/-77.0782

Spui, that was superseded long ago by a crossing further to the north and west.  That is why the I-370/I-270 interchange stands where it does.
Got a map showing this alignment?
Logged
Florida route log | pre-1945
I will do my best to not make America hate again.
Global warming denial is barely worse than white privilege denial.

cpzilliacus

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 10420
  • Age: 61
  • Location: Maryland
  • Last Login: Today at 02:15:59 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #522 on: November 11, 2014, 12:05:29 PM »

it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken.
Nope. The Outer Beltway alignment at I-270 is Montrose Parkway. The once-planned alignment is pretty obvious: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0717/-77.0782

Spui, that was superseded long ago by a crossing further to the north and west.  That is why the I-370/I-270 interchange stands where it does.
Got a map showing this alignment?

Look in the Washington Post archives (yes, you have to pay to use those), article entitled New Routes Proposed For Beltway in County, (no byline) dated 1965-08-07.

When you are done with that, look at Do We Need a Beltway II, written by the late Jack Eisen (maybe the best transportation beat reporter the Post ever had), dated 1974-01-10.
Logged
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

lepidopteran

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 532
  • Location: Baltimore/DC area
  • Last Login: Today at 01:57:09 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #523 on: November 11, 2014, 12:21:01 PM »

One other note about this new extension for the sign people: one of the original Exit 20 signs for Virginia Manor Road has been hilariously badly patched to read Konterra Drive instead. It's almost comical.
Were the Konterra signs on the C-D lanes also patched, but from reading Contee Rd.?  I thought it read Contee when part of a tarp blew aside.  Or maybe I just saw the "onte" that both names share.

Also, the Exit 19C westbound sign for the C-D lane loop ramp to Contee Road and MD 198 hasn't been unpatched yet.
And on the ICC EB loop ramp to the C-D lanes, the BGS displays only a forlorn MD-198 shield.  Not sure if there's greenout there.
Logged

NE2

  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 13966
  • fuck

  • Age: 11
  • Location: central Florida
  • Last Login: Today at 09:33:39 PM
Re: ICC Intercounty Connector
« Reply #524 on: November 11, 2014, 12:24:02 PM »

it (along with the Franconia-Springfield Parkway, IIRC) follows the same path that the Washington Outer Beltway would've taken.
Nope. The Outer Beltway alignment at I-270 is Montrose Parkway. The once-planned alignment is pretty obvious: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/39.0717/-77.0782

Spui, that was superseded long ago by a crossing further to the north and west.  That is why the I-370/I-270 interchange stands where it does.
Got a map showing this alignment?

Look in the Washington Post archives (yes, you have to pay to use those), article entitled New Routes Proposed For Beltway in County, (no byline) dated 1965-08-07.

When you are done with that, look at Do We Need a Beltway II, written by the late Jack Eisen (maybe the best transportation beat reporter the Post ever had), dated 1974-01-10.
In other words, no. (It wouldn't surprise me if you own Washington Post stock, and that's why you're giving me a runaround.)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 12:27:10 PM by NE2 »
Logged
Florida route log | pre-1945
I will do my best to not make America hate again.
Global warming denial is barely worse than white privilege denial.

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.