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Started by thenetwork, December 23, 2015, 08:02:57 PM

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wanderer2575

Quote from: vdeane on April 18, 2026, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on April 18, 2026, 01:55:51 AMThat said, how difficult is it to understand if you have a transponder or not?
Indeed.  I've never understood how that becomes so confusing.  That said, the Ohio Turnpike might have an additional factor contributing to issues there - the fact that they massively cut back on the ticket system when they went ORT.  People who are zoning out thinking "I'm nowhere near the end of the Turnpike" might be getting surprised by having a toll barrier where they aren't expecting one.

Huh?  How is this different from other ORT toll roads that assess tolls for all vehicles at fixed points instead of at every exit (PA Turnpike, WV Turnpike, etc.)?  And the eastbound PA Turnpike for while had a similar E-ZPass left lanes, cash/credit right lanes toll barrier after crossing into the state from OH?

The article cites the time period of summer 2024, and the factor is that the original signage at the toll barriers at that time sucked.  The signs for the cash/credit lanes did not indicate such at all; they read only "Toll Plaza #___ / Get Ticket" and even had exit number tabs to boot!  If I hadn't been used to the setup from driving other ORT toll roads, I'd have been confused too.


vdeane

Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 19, 2026, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 18, 2026, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on April 18, 2026, 01:55:51 AMThat said, how difficult is it to understand if you have a transponder or not?
Indeed.  I've never understood how that becomes so confusing.  That said, the Ohio Turnpike might have an additional factor contributing to issues there - the fact that they massively cut back on the ticket system when they went ORT.  People who are zoning out thinking "I'm nowhere near the end of the Turnpike" might be getting surprised by having a toll barrier where they aren't expecting one.

Huh?  How is this different from other ORT toll roads that assess tolls for all vehicles at fixed points instead of at every exit (PA Turnpike, WV Turnpike, etc.)?  And the eastbound PA Turnpike for while had a similar E-ZPass left lanes, cash/credit right lanes toll barrier after crossing into the state from OH?

The article cites the time period of summer 2024, and the factor is that the original signage at the toll barriers at that time sucked.  The signs for the cash/credit lanes did not indicate such at all; they read only "Toll Plaza #___ / Get Ticket" and even had exit number tabs to boot!  If I hadn't been used to the setup from driving other ORT toll roads, I'd have been confused too.
It's still a ticket system with toll collection at interchanges, the endpoints have just moved with the addition of the free zones at either end and changing the original endpoints into fixed toll locations.  So someone who is used to the system starting/ending near exit 2 would not be expecting a toll booth near mile 49.  "Get ticket" is still accurate - you're not paying until you exit.

I'm not sure why people don't seem to understand what "E-ZPass only" means.  If you don't have E-ZPass or know what it is, I think it's safe to say you shouldn't be in the E-ZPass only lanes!
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

I-55

Quote from: vdeane on April 19, 2026, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on April 19, 2026, 04:59:53 PM
Quote from: vdeane on April 18, 2026, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: zzcarp on April 18, 2026, 01:55:51 AMThat said, how difficult is it to understand if you have a transponder or not?
Indeed.  I've never understood how that becomes so confusing.  That said, the Ohio Turnpike might have an additional factor contributing to issues there - the fact that they massively cut back on the ticket system when they went ORT.  People who are zoning out thinking "I'm nowhere near the end of the Turnpike" might be getting surprised by having a toll barrier where they aren't expecting one.

Huh?  How is this different from other ORT toll roads that assess tolls for all vehicles at fixed points instead of at every exit (PA Turnpike, WV Turnpike, etc.)?  And the eastbound PA Turnpike for while had a similar E-ZPass left lanes, cash/credit right lanes toll barrier after crossing into the state from OH?

The article cites the time period of summer 2024, and the factor is that the original signage at the toll barriers at that time sucked.  The signs for the cash/credit lanes did not indicate such at all; they read only "Toll Plaza #___ / Get Ticket" and even had exit number tabs to boot!  If I hadn't been used to the setup from driving other ORT toll roads, I'd have been confused too.
It's still a ticket system with toll collection at interchanges, the endpoints have just moved with the addition of the free zones at either end and changing the original endpoints into fixed toll locations.  So someone who is used to the system starting/ending near exit 2 would not be expecting a toll booth near mile 49.  "Get ticket" is still accurate - you're not paying until you exit.

I'm not sure why people don't seem to understand what "E-ZPass only" means.  If you don't have E-ZPass or know what it is, I think it's safe to say you shouldn't be in the E-ZPass only lanes!

The (accurate) implication that there are people who lack the internal dialogue of "hmm I have to pay to use a toll road, I don't know how to pay, maybe I should find out?" is a sad reality of the capability of the average driver. Even if they don't know and drive on a toll road anyway, they either a) have the cash/credit on hand to pay at a tollbooth or b) will be billed by mail without passing through a traditional toll plaza. Neither of these scenarios "traps" them.

When it comes to selecting a lane, the IAG spreadsheet that I have from May 2025 classifies 280 plazas as "combo" out of 1636 total plazas. All but 21 of those "combo" plazas listed are on either ILTOLL, FTE, or CFX (who have converted either entirely or mostly to Open Road Tolling). In these rare instances of a combo plaza existing, there is a sign for "toll ahead" 2 miles ahead of the plaza, and lanes are clearly marked 1-2 miles in advance as to what payments are accepted.

Ohio Turnpike Swanton Plaza
Ohio Turnpike Newton Falls Plaza
New Jersey Turnpike Exit 1 Toll Plaza
Maine Turnpike York Plaza
Korean War Veterans Memorial Highway Dover Plaza
Atlantic City Expressway Toll Plaza

So drivers know for 2 minutes before the split that there's a toll upcoming, and are told E-ZPass left / cash right 1 minute ahead of the split. Anyone who can't figure that out is gonna have to put up with their failure and I have zero sympathy. "I don't know if I have E-ZPass" or "I don't know what E-ZPass is" then use the cash lanes, if this is the first you've heard of it you probably don't have it. If I see signs that American Express is accepted somewhere, I don't think "I wonder if I have an AmEx" as someone who doesn't have one and then assume I can pay with a card I'm not sure I have. "I don't have cash" yeah bull---- everyone carries at least five dollars, not to mention most of these places take credit. "I didn't know which lanes took cash" idk man the giant sign that said "cash" looked pretty clear to me. "I didn't know this was a toll road" well I fail to believe that. Your maps software said there were tolls, the signs said "toll", paper maps show the line in a different color.

The only confusion I can accept is "does my SunPass/Peach Pass/K-Tag etc. work here?" since some home agencies aren't as up front on intercompatibility. But generally, people should know where their payment methods are accepted (or how to look it up), especially if they had the wherewithal to get a transponder they would know to check.

The people trying to blame OTIC or any of the other agencies for their inability to navigate these well-signed "combo" facilities are simply unable to accept responsibility for their own failures.
Purdue Civil Engineering '24
Quote from: I-55 on April 13, 2025, 09:39:41 PMThe correct question is "if ARDOT hasn't signed it, why does Google show it?" and the answer as usual is "because Google Maps signs stuff incorrectly all the time"

dvferyance

The last time the Ohio Turnpike got a new interchange was 2004 is it safe to say that was the last new one ever?

thenetwork

Quote from: dvferyance on April 27, 2026, 08:30:19 PMThe last time the Ohio Turnpike got a new interchange was 2004 is it safe to say that was the last new one ever?

Now that there are "Free" segments of the Turnpike for intrastate travel on both ends, there still is a chance to see some new interchanges.

I could still see a "partial" interchange for EB I-76 to SB SR-11/NB SR-11 to WB I-76 near Youngstown for example.

coldshoulder

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Quote from: thenetwork on April 28, 2026, 12:08:33 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on April 27, 2026, 08:30:19 PMThe last time the Ohio Turnpike got a new interchange was 2004 is it safe to say that was the last new one ever?

Now that there are "Free" segments of the Turnpike for intrastate travel on both ends, there still is a chance to see some new interchanges.

I could still see a "partial" interchange for EB I-76 to SB SR-11/NB SR-11 to WB I-76 near Youngstown for example.

Yes, there actually appears to be room in Canfield Township where the Turnpike is still I-76 coming from Pennsylvania to build a traditional trumpet allowing for all movements (with the OH-11S stretch connecting quickly with US-224 and US-62), but the NIMBY outcry would smother any potential project.  It likely has been proposed there in the past under some preliminary wishlist planning.

The pie-in-the-sky proposal interchange would be south of Shields Road, west of Raccoon Road, east of OH-46/US-62, and north of Dartmouth Drive.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/758o648wVpyb5a2LA





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