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Author Topic: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth  (Read 423 times)

motorola870

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So TXDOT is sleeping at the wheel they have not secured the ROW for SH 360 toll to be extended to US67 in Venus and they have let a developer build right up on the interchange and now they are building properties right in the middle of a future extension this should have been blocked and TXDOT should have built the service roads further south and make a cross over into the neighborhood.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/US-287+%26+TX-360,+Mansfield,+TX+76065/@32.5226613,-97.0835965,794m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e8aae4fa0cfe9:0x10ff8e9833e14ad8!8m2!3d32.5232086!4d-97.0820194

this is unacceptable and TXDOT actually sanctioned it as they have a two way traffic signal for the road coming out of the neighborhood.

https://goo.gl/maps/h3sjHwVmswr6CY9PA
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2020, 03:19:32 PM »

So TXDOT is sleeping at the wheel they have not secured the ROW for SH 360 toll to be extended to US67 in Venus and they have let a developer build right up on the interchange and now they are building properties right in the middle of a future extension this should have been blocked and TXDOT should have built the service roads further south and make a cross over into the neighborhood.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/US-287+%26+TX-360,+Mansfield,+TX+76065/@32.5226613,-97.0835965,794m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e8aae4fa0cfe9:0x10ff8e9833e14ad8!8m2!3d32.5232086!4d-97.0820194

this is unacceptable and TXDOT actually sanctioned it as they have a two way traffic signal for the road coming out of the neighborhood.

https://goo.gl/maps/h3sjHwVmswr6CY9PA

That’s just the sign for the neighborhood, I assume it will be moved once the extension is built. There’s plenty of ROW for the highway to go straight south:

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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2020, 04:35:10 PM »

Is it possible to further extend TX-360 further southward than US 67, such as connecting the route to either Interstate 35W or Interstate 35E? Even if there are no plans to extend it beyond US 67 at the present time?
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2020, 04:58:50 PM »

I don't think it's really necessary to extend TX-360 South past US-67, presumably to I-35W (that's the nearest of the two I-35 routes). That part of US-67 is along the DFW Regional Outer Loop proposals. TX-360 could end on that and it would be a short drive to I-35W.

Now a good amount of the proposed upgrades along or near US-67 in that area would have to be built on new alignments, such as a bypass around Alvarado (where US-67 meets I-35W). If that route takes a path too far to the North then there might be some value in TX-360 continuing on a more direct Southerly path to I-35W.

Regarding the US-287/TX-360 interchange, the land on the North side of the interchange has enough room for a traditional "Y" interchange. But the South side of the road is indeed looking pretty sketchy. A bunch of fancy housing addition entrances are being built immediately off the SB US-287 frontage road. A SB US-287 to SB TX-360 flyover would have to span over some of this stuff. I can just see these new property owners in that development raising all hell about that prospect.
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2020, 05:05:33 PM »

Is it possible to further extend TX-360 further southward than US 67, such as connecting the route to either Interstate 35W or Interstate 35E? Even if there are no plans to extend it beyond US 67 at the present time?

These plans may be outdated, but looks like there was a proposal to extend past 67. Also remember that the Outer Loop will be passing in this area, so that could influence final routing:

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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2020, 08:23:43 AM »

have to wonder, also, why are the 287 main lines shifted?   Where they overpass the 360 frontage and future mainlines, and volleyball.  Certainly seems to have been unnecessary from looking at the aerial.   That sort of thing - shifting and skewing is all too commonplace today.   
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2020, 10:07:33 AM »

have to wonder, also, why are the 287 main lines shifted?   Where they overpass the 360 frontage and future mainlines, and volleyball.  Certainly seems to have been unnecessary from looking at the aerial.   That sort of thing - shifting and skewing is all too commonplace today.

I’ve wondered that too. My only guess is that perhaps originally 360 was planned to curve southeast and merge with 287 at this point.
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2020, 01:38:12 PM »

The US-287/TX-360 interchange layout is definitely a bit strange. I don't like the odd angle the US-287 bridges take over the TX-360 frontage roads. It pushes the main lanes of US-287 too close to the SB US-287 frontage road on the West side of the interchange. That's not going to leave any room for a flyover ramp coming from SB US-287 to NB TX-360, much less another ramp from SB US-287 to SB TX-360. A bunch of this interchange may be stuck with volleyball connections via the frontage roads.
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2020, 10:17:08 PM »

Extending 360 eventually all the way to I-35e (or I-35w) has been in the plans for years, not just as a highway but also a potential high speed rail or high capacity transit commuter corridor.  Search the North Central Texas Council of Govt's website for various long range plans that show these.
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2020, 10:32:50 PM »

I'd like to know how they plan on doing the high speed rail thing, considering the right of way needed and mandatory grade separations between the rail line and streets or highways.

That Brightline experiment currently going on in South Florida is suffering from low ridership and a lot of collisions with vehicles at railroad crossings. The line is having to use the cost cutting measure of running on some existing freight line track with at-grade railroad crossings. Too many dingbat motorists are driving around railroad crossing arms and then getting slammed by the passenger trains going as fast as 70mph. That's not true high speed rail kinds of speed. A true high speed rail line needs speeds of 100mph or more. At grade railroad crossings are absolutely no good for that. Plus the tracks must run on far more straight, direct paths. Any curves must be extremely gradual. Limited access highways don't run paths that straight, especially any new super highways. That's going to make it a very tough challenge to build a link between Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston, much less have the lines reach the downtown districts in either city.
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Re: TX360 and US287 interchange is getting too much housing overgrowth
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2020, 10:07:53 PM »

Not only is the California HSR failure a colossal embarrassment to that state, but it should serve as a wake-up call to just how much the United States SUCKS at planning and building out infrastructure projects anymore. Other efforts at building regional city to city high speed rail links elsewhere in the US could easily suffer the same fate. It's not just a "California thing."
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