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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2016, 06:35:20 PM »

I personally think hooking it up to Main St (Exit 33) is the best option. I just hope that an interstate to interstate interchange is put in and not a partial cloverleaf (or something else stupid) with stop lights.

EDIT: It looks like it is going to be a cloverleaf interchange which is awesome. I know most of you are cloverleaf haters, but I have no problem with them. They're also the cheapest interchange that allows traffic to constantly move.

i think cloverleaves are good in rural areas only.
Cloverleaves work in urban areas in some circumstances. See NJ 4 at NJ 93.

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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2016, 03:48:53 AM »

I personally think hooking it up to Main St (Exit 33) is the best option. I just hope that an interstate to interstate interchange is put in and not a partial cloverleaf (or something else stupid) with stop lights.

EDIT: It looks like it is going to be a cloverleaf interchange which is awesome. I know most of you are cloverleaf haters, but I have no problem with them. They're also the cheapest interchange that allows traffic to constantly move.

i think cloverleaves are good in rural areas only.
Cloverleaves work in urban areas in some circumstances. See NJ 4 at NJ 93.

Or M-6 at US 131, although that also has C-D lanes for both freeways to help out.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2016, 11:17:37 AM »

the holland gap will never be filled

The Holland gap will be a bypass, M231.  Plans do call for a freeway, at some point from I-96 to I-196.  Will take years to get that funding.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2016, 11:33:13 AM »

the holland gap will never be filled

The Holland gap will be a bypass, M231.  Plans do call for a freeway, at some point from I-96 to I-196.  Will take years to get that funding.

300 Years to be exact  :-D
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2016, 01:28:06 PM »

Wow what a huge waste of money.  That "gap" is nothing.  Put in a roundabout and call it a day.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2016, 03:45:16 PM »

Wow what a huge waste of money.  That "gap" is nothing.  Put in a roundabout and call it a day.
The gap never should have been there in the first place.  Actually building a roundabout would be a huge waste of money.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2016, 03:53:02 PM »

I see the gap as smart use of money.  MI doesn't have money to throw around.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2016, 10:11:36 PM »

it would make absolutely no sense to slap a roundabout there.  filling the gap is necessary, and something the area has been begging for for years.  Michigan just sucks at infrastructure.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2016, 09:24:35 PM »

the holland gap will never be filled

The Holland gap will be a bypass, M231.  Plans do call for a freeway, at some point from I-96 to I-196.  Will take years to get that funding.
Existing M-231 would also have to be upgraded as there's only one two-lane bridge over the Grand River. I do think existing US-31 through the Holland area was planned out well north of Chicago Drive with limited access (unlike Grand Haven). The only thing I could see there in my lifetime is a connection from M-231's southern end to existing US-31 around Port Sheldon St (and maybe the I-96/US-31 interchange improved slightly)
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2016, 08:30:54 AM »

the holland gap will never be filled

The Holland gap will be a bypass, M231.  Plans do call for a freeway, at some point from I-96 to I-196.  Will take years to get that funding.
Existing M-231 would also have to be upgraded as there's only one two-lane bridge over the Grand River. I do think existing US-31 through the Holland area was planned out well north of Chicago Drive with limited access (unlike Grand Haven). The only thing I could see there in my lifetime is a connection from M-231's southern end to existing US-31 around Port Sheldon St (and maybe the I-96/US-31 interchange improved slightly)

The actual plan, if MDOT had the funding, would be to build a complete highway around Holland and Grand Haven.  M231 is just a small sliver to get it started.  Click on the link below

http://www.michiganhighways.org/maps/US-31Freeway_OttawaAlt_MDOT.gif
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2016, 03:39:54 PM »

Excuse my ignorance, but what gap? I drove through there on US 31 last July and I don't recall a gap. I'm not sure what you're even referencing when I look on Google Maps.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2016, 04:14:45 PM »

Excuse my ignorance, but what gap? I drove through there on US 31 last July and I don't recall a gap. I'm not sure what you're even referencing when I look on Google Maps.

The thread title should say "US 31 Freeway Gap" since that is what it is talking about.  Not an actual gap in the signed route.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2016, 04:23:07 PM »

I think US 31 should have been completed to Interstate 94 long ago. Does the needs of a butterfly trump the needs to complete a needed freeway connection?
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2016, 04:42:37 PM »

I think US 31 should have been completed to Interstate 94 long ago. Does the needs of a butterfly trump the needs to complete a needed freeway connection?
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2016, 05:54:05 PM »

Excuse my ignorance, but what gap? I drove through there on US 31 last July and I don't recall a gap. I'm not sure what you're even referencing when I look on Google Maps.

The thread title should say "US 31 Freeway Gap" since that is what it is talking about.  Not an actual gap in the signed route.

Got it. I was thinking that the Holland Gap and the freeway gap were two different gaps.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2016, 05:54:11 PM »

I think US 31 should have been completed to Interstate 94 long ago. Does the needs of a butterfly trump the needs to complete a needed freeway connection?

apparently yes.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2016, 11:54:31 AM »

All this passion for cutting out two minutes of drive time between Grand Rapids and South Bend.  :meh:
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2016, 10:23:51 AM »

All this passion for cutting out two minutes of drive time between Grand Rapids and South Bend.  :meh:
And if the same freeway gap existed in any other major highway it would have been taken care of decades ago.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2016, 04:45:55 PM »

All this passion for cutting out two minutes of drive time between Grand Rapids and South Bend.  :meh:
And if the same freeway gap existed in any other major highway it would have been taken care of decades ago.

it takes michigan decades to even ask themselves if they need to upgrade something.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2016, 01:52:23 PM »

Pick the best option you like for US-31 gap, to either I-94 or to I-94 / I-196.   Maybe they can talk about it for another 10 years.

http://www.michiganhighways.org/maps/US-31Freeway_BerrienAlts.pdf
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2016, 02:12:27 PM »

I prefer PA-4 but wouldn't mind PA-3.  Definitely not PA-1.  I thought the Napier Ave interchange was built years ago?
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2016, 03:16:36 PM »

13 years ago, if I'm not mistaken. At any rate, the sooner the gap between Napier Ave. and Interstate 94 is filled, the better.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2016, 05:22:50 PM »

i thought they picked one of the alignments connecting it to bus 94?
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2016, 06:03:09 PM »

^^ Yes the preferred route was chosen in 2011, per this posting upthread: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18276.msg2156336#msg2156336. A discussion of the alternatives follows that posting. I've not heard that any change is imminent, but feel free to debate again anyway.
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Re: US 31 gap in Michigan finally will be filled
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2018, 06:04:07 PM »

https://wsbt.com/news/local/us-department-of-transportation-awards-m-dot-grant-to-finish-us-31-in-berrien-county
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BERRIEN COUNTY — A major update Thursday on a project on one of the area's busiest roadways.

The U.S. Department of Transportation awarding M-DOT a $20 million grant to finish U.S. 31 in Berrien County.

The money will pay to extend the highway from Napier Avenue to I-94, a stretch of approximately two miles.

Work on the project could begin as soon as 2021.
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