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[Plutonic Panda]

The Jacobs St. bridge in Ardmore was apparently severely damaged by a collision and now needs to either be significantly repaired, replaced, or permanently torn down. Hopefully they replace it and make it nice.

https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=37706

[notassociated]

The Jacobs St. bridge in Ardmore was apparently severely damaged by a collision and now needs to either be significantly repaired, replaced, or permanently torn down. Hopefully they replace it and make it nice.

https://www.ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=37706

Looks like the road's only a mile long and barely paved to begin with?  What would be lost by just removing it permanently?

[Plutonic Panda]

I’m it sure. I would have to see the traffic counts. But to me, any bridge lost is a step backwards because it’s a decrease in mobility. Even if it only served a small amount of people, it could prove useful in times of emergencies or special circumstances. Though I must admit, I’m speaking out of my ass here because I am not familiar with this bridge, the area, or why it was built.

[notassociated]

I’m it sure. I would have to see the traffic counts. But to me, any bridge lost is a step backwards because it’s a decrease in mobility. Even if it only served a small amount of people, it could prove useful in times of emergencies or special circumstances. Though I must admit, I’m speaking out of my ass here because I am not familiar with this bridge, the area, or why it was built.

It's this bridge, and it doesn't look like it would cause any serious impact on mobility if it were removed.

[compdude787]

I'm amazed that an overpass was even built there in the first place. I'm sure that there won't be many tears shed over its loss.

[MCRoads]

I-35/Shields split is getting an APL. thanks for the new APLs Action Safety!

[Scott5114]

The plans I saw showed a diagrammatic there, not an APL.

[kphoger]

thanks for the new APLs Action Safety!

What does this mean?

[Scott5114]

Action Safety is one of ODOT's contractors.

[kphoger]

Thanks!  I was trying to rearrange words and figure out misspellings, nothing was making sense.  Figures, all that was missing was a comma...

[Bobby5280]

Construction on the new H.E. Bailey Turnpike toll plaza (on I-44 near mile marker 66) is finished. However OTA is not going to start operating the toll plaza until January 2018. I thought the plaza was supposed to open this fall. On a local news report they said OTA had all kinds of different testing and other work to do before bringing the new toll plaza into service. Once that plaza becomes operational OTA will demolish the old toll plaza just South of Chickasha. The demolition project will take about 3 weeks to complete. Removal of that old toll plaza will help make room for a new cloverleaf interchange that will be part of a new US-81 bypass. I don't know when construction of that bypass project will begin. Given the sorry condition of the state government's finances I imagine it could be at least a few years before construction begins.

I'll be somewhat glad when the new toll plaza is working and the old one is removed. It's a pain slowing down through there on road trips to OKC. But word has it OTA is going to raise toll prices early in 2018. So that will temper some of the enthusiasm.

Down here in Lawton, ODOT announced a $6 "upgrade" of the Roger's Lane and I-44 interchange in Lawton. The project will begin early in 2018 and be finished by early 2019. I put the "upgrade" part in quotes because I don't think it is much of an upgrade.

They're going to change ramp configurations so they can remove one of the two traffic signals on Rogers Lane, the signal on the East side of the interchange. Their solution is adding a pair of U-shaped cloverleaf ramps so EB Rogers Lane traffic can enter WB I-44 without having to turn left at a signal. The second U-shaped ramp will allow WB I-44 traffic to enter WB Rogers Lane without being held at a signal (but it's still going to be a nearly hard right turn getting on Rogers Lane. The big problem I have with this solution is it absolutely will create a lot of traffic weaving issues under the Rogers Lane bridge over I-44.

So many other places are using braided ramps and newer interchange designs like SPUIs and DDIs. Here in Lawton we're going to get old fashioned, cheapskate remedies. I have to wonder why even bother with this project? It's not even the biggest traffic heading involving I-44 in Lawton. That prize goes to the Gore Blvd interchange with I-44. There's 3 traffic lights in short succession along Gore Blvd through there. IMHO, the Gore Blvd interchange needs to be replaced with a SPUI and the signal just East at Laurie Tatum Road & the entrance to Comanche Nation Casino and Best Western needs to removed and replaced with barrier-separated RIRO turns. That would solve the traffic back-ups through there.

[Scott5114]

Down here in Lawton, ODOT announced a $6 "upgrade" of the Roger's Lane and I-44 interchange in Lawton. The project will begin early in 2018 and be finished by early 2019. I put the "upgrade" part in quotes because I don't think it is much of an upgrade.

I can't imagine it'd be much of one if they're only spending six dollars on it. Then again, that is in line with ODOT's budget...

[compdude787]

Gee, if only every road project was that cheap! 

[Bobby5280]

Um, yeah. $6 is a hell of a typo. The cost of that project is actually supposed to be $6 million. The end result won't be worth $6 however.

[yakra]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

[notassociated]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

[Plutonic Panda]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

[notassociated]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

Vital link between what?  OK 97 and LL Tisdale already makes the connection between rural Osage County and rural western Tulsa county.  Even bridging 41st Street over the Arkansas from the eastside to the westside of Tulsa makes more sense (currently there's no non-freeway crossing between 21st and 71st, except for the currently closed Zink Bridge, which is being rebuilt to reconnect the Midland Valley Cycleway to the westside).

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

[Rick1962]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

Vital link between what?  OK 97 and LL Tisdale already makes the connection between rural Osage County and rural western Tulsa county.  Even bridging 41st Street over the Arkansas from the eastside to the westside of Tulsa makes more sense (currently there's no non-freeway crossing between 21st and 71st, except for the currently closed Zink Bridge, which is being rebuilt to reconnect the Midland Valley Cycleway to the westside).

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Train from Tulsa to OKC:  Drive downtown. Pay to park. Buy train ticket. Wait for train. Ride train, which will probably have to stop in Stroud because that's the only way Rep. Billy Bob Schmittkicker would vote for the project. Take Über to wherever I'm going. What are we looking at, 2-1/2 or 3 hours?

Or: Get in the car and be at my destination in 1:45.

Oh, who am I kidding? By the time Broke-lahoma finished the project, it'd be 278% over budget, probably have termini in Sapulpa and Luther, and be the year 2043.

SM-T580

[compdude787]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

Vital link between what?  OK 97 and LL Tisdale already makes the connection between rural Osage County and rural western Tulsa county.  Even bridging 41st Street over the Arkansas from the eastside to the westside of Tulsa makes more sense (currently there's no non-freeway crossing between 21st and 71st, except for the currently closed Zink Bridge, which is being rebuilt to reconnect the Midland Valley Cycleway to the westside).

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Train from Tulsa to OKC:  Drive downtown. Pay to park. Buy train ticket. Wait for train. Ride train, which will probably have to stop in Stroud because that's the only way Rep. Billy Bob Schmittkicker would vote for the project. Take Über to wherever I'm going. What are we looking at, 2-1/2 or 3 hours?

Or: Get in the car and be at my destination in 1:45.

Oh, who am I kidding? By the time Broke-lahoma finished the project, it'd be 278% over budget, probably have termini in Sapulpa and Luther, and be the year 2043.

SM-T580

Exactly. It really doesn't seem like a big deal not to have public government-run transit between cities when most people just drive. Heck, hardly anyone even uses Amtrak anymore. Pretty sure I've only been on Amtrak once in my life, but I've driven between cities many times.

[Plutonic Panda]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

Vital link between what?  OK 97 and LL Tisdale already makes the connection between rural Osage County and rural western Tulsa county.  Even bridging 41st Street over the Arkansas from the eastside to the westside of Tulsa makes more sense (currently there's no non-freeway crossing between 21st and 71st, except for the currently closed Zink Bridge, which is being rebuilt to reconnect the Midland Valley Cycleway to the westside).

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Train from Tulsa to OKC:  Drive downtown. Pay to park. Buy train ticket. Wait for train. Ride train, which will probably have to stop in Stroud because that's the only way Rep. Billy Bob Schmittkicker would vote for the project. Take Über to wherever I'm going. What are we looking at, 2-1/2 or 3 hours?

Or: Get in the car and be at my destination in 1:45.

Oh, who am I kidding? By the time Broke-lahoma finished the project, it'd be 278% over budget, probably have termini in Sapulpa and Luther, and be the year 2043.

SM-T580

Current proposals have the train taking 4 hours!!!!! Fuck that. I’d support HSR proposal between the two cities but not Amtrak passenger rail. As it stands, current proposals also don’t even have the train going to downtown Tulsa.

Stop talking about spending money from this project to rail because most people drive and probably want to see improvements to roads instead.

[notassociated]

Short news about the Gilgrease expressway. https://tollroadsnews.com/news-briefs/daily-news-briefs-march-3-2017/
Including a map showing the interchanges locations. http://www.newson6.com/story/34653486/city-ok-turnpike-authority-agree-to-build-west-leg-of-gilcrease-turnpike

Just goes to show with this, along with selling Helmerich Park to REI, that GT Bynum's as much as an anti-Tulsa douchebag as that Dewey Bartlett shitheel.

I don't know OK politics; am obviously missing something here. How is it anti-Tulsa to get a new road built for Tulsa?

More like everything else Bynum did in addition to that.  Specific to the the Gilcrease Expansion, it is largely unpopular and seems like a perfectly good waste of money that could be put to more critical transportation needs throughout the OklaDOT and OTA systems, as well as other needs like expanding passenger rail service.

That doesn’t make any sense. There is huge demand for cars. Not for passenger rail. This will connect a vital link. The only thing missing are the freeway to freeway interchanges.

Vital link between what?  OK 97 and LL Tisdale already makes the connection between rural Osage County and rural western Tulsa county.  Even bridging 41st Street over the Arkansas from the eastside to the westside of Tulsa makes more sense (currently there's no non-freeway crossing between 21st and 71st, except for the currently closed Zink Bridge, which is being rebuilt to reconnect the Midland Valley Cycleway to the westside).

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Train from Tulsa to OKC:  Drive downtown. Pay to park. Buy train ticket. Wait for train. Ride train, which will probably have to stop in Stroud because that's the only way Rep. Billy Bob Schmittkicker would vote for the project. Take Über to wherever I'm going. What are we looking at, 2-1/2 or 3 hours?

Or: Get in the car and be at my destination in 1:45.

Oh, who am I kidding? By the time Broke-lahoma finished the project, it'd be 278% over budget, probably have termini in Sapulpa and Luther, and be the year 2043.

SM-T580

Current proposals have the train taking 4 hours!!!!! Fuck that. I’d support HSR proposal between the two cities but not Amtrak passenger rail. As it stands, current proposals also don’t even have the train going to downtown Tulsa.

Stop talking about spending money from this project to rail because most people drive and probably want to see improvements to roads instead.

Y'all act like the Interstates were built for free and weren't proposed in an era in which that wasn't popular so it would be ready by the time it was.

[Plutonic Panda]

Look what I’m saying is that this will further complete Tulsa’s system. As for passenger rail, I don’t support the rail line proposal between the cities because it is a joke. Once they really propose HSR running down the turnpike, then I’ll support that. Not like it matters anyways.

[notassociated]

Look what I’m saying is that this will further complete Tulsa’s system. As for passenger rail, I don’t support the rail line proposal between the cities because it is a joke. Once they really propose HSR running down the turnpike, then I’ll support that. Not like it matters anyways.

I don't disagree we can't do better with the rail.  But something is more than nothing to start with.  Meanwhile adding a turnpike where it's not needed nor wanted isn't a wise investment and only furthers the state highway debt.

[kphoger]

Meanwhile there's no public transportation connection at all between the two largest population centers in the state.

Greyhound has 5 trips daily each way, and takes a little less than 2 hours.

OKC Greyhound:  Served by bus route #15 (Midwest City).
Tulsa Greyhound:  Served by a few bus routes.