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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2017, 01:50:38 PM »

In Indiana, INDOT puts up signs on their roads.  Interstates just have signs naming the county you are entering.  US and State highways have signs that say Enter XXX Co  Leave YYY Co.  It's up to the counties as to whether or not they sign county roads.

Though they don't anymore. County lines are not signed on the new I-69, and several signs on US 24 and I-94 have been missing for years and have never been replaced. When I reported those signs being missing (along with the Central/Eastern Time Zone sign on I-94 at the MI line), they informed me that they have indeed discontinued that sort of signage due to safety and cost, as many people nowadays use their cell phones to determine what county they are in, what city they are passing through, or what time it is.

How cheap can you get???
Honestly, county lines are not that important in most places. Certainly outside of a few places people don't know or care which county a city is in. For that matter, on a freeway, it's beside the point what city you're in unless it's a big one with multiple exits. Otherwise, just signing them on exit BGS's should be enough. State lines are the only things a freeway should really sign on the roadway itself.

Neither are the names of rivers, mountain passes, milemarkers, or "Spc. Maj. Gen. Lt. Sgt. Adm. Trooper Stopp N. de Nameodelaw Memorial Highway", and yet there's some degree of utility for all of them to the point that the MUTCD includes them (well, maybe not the last one). Road signs are not posted to get an ROI. Not posting county lines is just being cheap.
And I wouldn't post any of them either. Except mile markers. Those are actually extremely important for a wide variety of reasons, from knowing how much you have traveled on a roadway to how much is left to travel (if exits are mile-based) to the best and most precise location ID in case of an emergency. Those other things are nice to have at best and useless at worst.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2017, 12:44:18 AM »

In Indiana, INDOT puts up signs on their roads.  Interstates just have signs naming the county you are entering.  US and State highways have signs that say Enter XXX Co  Leave YYY Co.  It's up to the counties as to whether or not they sign county roads.

Though they don't anymore. County lines are not signed on the new I-69, and several signs on US 24 and I-94 have been missing for years and have never been replaced. When I reported those signs being missing (along with the Central/Eastern Time Zone sign on I-94 at the MI line), they informed me that they have indeed discontinued that sort of signage due to safety and cost, as many people nowadays use their cell phones to determine what county they are in, what city they are passing through, or what time it is.

How cheap can you get???
Honestly, county lines are not that important in most places. Certainly outside of a few places people don't know or care which county a city is in. For that matter, on a freeway, it's beside the point what city you're in unless it's a big one with multiple exits. Otherwise, just signing them on exit BGS's should be enough. State lines are the only things a freeway should really sign on the roadway itself.

Neither are the names of rivers, mountain passes, milemarkers, or "Spc. Maj. Gen. Lt. Sgt. Adm. Trooper Stopp N. de Nameodelaw Memorial Highway", and yet there's some degree of utility for all of them to the point that the MUTCD includes them (well, maybe not the last one). Road signs are not posted to get an ROI. Not posting county lines is just being cheap.
And I wouldn't post any of them either. Except mile markers. Those are actually extremely important for a wide variety of reasons, from knowing how much you have traveled on a roadway to how much is left to travel (if exits are mile-based) to the best and most precise location ID in case of an emergency. Those other things are nice to have at best and useless at worst.

County lines, rivers, and mountain passes are also helpful in emergencies, though. And "useless" goes too far, since these geographical features often give drivers a sense of where they are and where they're going.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2017, 11:22:51 AM »

Colorado's default is just a simple 2-line white-on-green sign that says  " XXX COUNTY ". 
http://www.aaroads.com/west/colorado001/co-009_sb_hoosier_pass_03.jpg

That being said, not all county lines are signed (CoughcoughMetroDenverCoughCough). 

Where county lines are signed, many counties along major routes create their own "ENTERING/WELCOME TO XXX COUNTY" signs which can range from a smaller sign:
http://www.gjsentinel.com/images/photos/imgkit_sized/070916_1a_signs_600x400.jpg
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https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/130/417911083_44e42c27d0_b.jpg
to a huge wooden roadside structure that rival the "WELCOME TO COLORFUL COLORADO" signs at the border:
http://www.coloradoinfo.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/gallery/CountySign_July%20%281%29.JPG?itok=fYxA7SAP.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2017, 09:41:43 PM »

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.3492298,-74.4793757,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spMPIG6sitVRUmoT1_qhOhg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Not by far a county, but South Brunswick in NJ is a municipality like many in the North-East that play the same role in government that counties do elsewhere.   Anyway, this sign is very unique for an entering sign, pointing out that "You" are entering.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2017, 10:25:31 PM »

Arkansas designates a county line by name. Now, our road naming is a whole other thread!  :bigass:
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2017, 11:14:30 PM »

Arizona, traditional style is somewhat small:

ENTERING
Xxxxxxxxx
COUNTY



Newer ones are significantly larger with the bottom two lines in mixed case:

ENTERING
Xxxxxxxxx
County
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2019, 08:09:51 PM »



Newer ones are significantly larger with the bottom two lines in mixed case:

ENTERING
Xxxxxxxxx
County


These are pretty much straight from the Ohio style book for limited access roads and other dual carriageways, although they are always BGS style (previous generation button copy, now reflective copy, were clearview but now not, but always with ribs and with breakaway supports) but Arizona's layout is completely identical.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2019, 08:37:05 PM »

Arkansas designates a county line by name. Now, our road naming is a whole other thread!  :bigass:
Arkansas is short and sweet, all on one line: “INDEPENDENCE CO.”

I’ve seen one exception, at the county line on I-30 at Alexander either way:

PULASKI
COUNTY
and
SALINE
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2019, 12:24:43 AM »

I'll do Tennessee, since no one else has and I used to live there.  Basically interstate and non interstates are signed the same way, which a green sign that says "XXX CO", however, the interstate sign uses a different variant of the FHWA font than the non interstate does (I'm not familiar enough with the fonts to tell the difference).

 
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2019, 11:08:24 AM »

Colorado is a mixed bag.

Some signs are just white on green which said _________ COUNTY.

Other Counties may create their own (Welcome to) _____________ County signs of various colors, styles and designs.

Some county lines are not even identified on CDOT roads.  Driving through the Denver metro area, you may go through 4 and 5 counties and not even know it.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2019, 02:40:05 PM »

Wisconsin just has small green signs that say “Dane Co” or whatever county it is. Always abbreviated.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2019, 06:46:03 PM »

In Michigan, on non-freeways, it's a smaller green sign that says "ENTER" followed by the county name on separate lines. The size of the text for the name of the county is a bit larger than the words "enter" or "county". It's frequently accompanied by a similar sign on the same pole for the township being entered as well, and those signs would have a smaller "ZONED" at the bottom if appropriate.

On freeways, a larger green sign bearing just the name of the county is used.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2019, 12:14:38 AM »

Lincoln Parish, when entering or leaving the parish:

Pylant Rd. becomes Brothers Rd. at Lincoln/Union line. by Jess Kilgore, on Flickr

I don't have a picture of ENTER for some reason. Shame on me.

ENTER x PARISH on non-freeway state and US routes:

DOTD sign on Old Arcadia Rd. at Webster/Claiborne Parish line. by Jess Kilgore, on Flickr

Strangely, I found this on a parish road.

On the interstates, it's just a simple x PARISH sign (I have no pic. Sorry.)
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2019, 06:38:42 AM »

Pylant Rd. becomes Brothers Rd. at Lincoln/Union line. by Jess Kilgore, on Flickr

That reminds me of the "Go Children Slow" signs in Massachusetts.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2019, 10:04:20 AM »

May as well post this here, NJ state and country welcome signs. None of it is my work except finding them and putting them together.

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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2019, 01:17:08 PM »

In Indiana, INDOT puts up signs on their roads.  Interstates just have signs naming the county you are entering.  US and State highways have signs that say Enter XXX Co  Leave YYY Co.  It's up to the counties as to whether or not they sign county roads. 

Let's just say that Indiana is consistently inconsistent. Here are two signs for motorists entering Elkhart County from St. Joseph County.
On the Indiana Toll Road:

On SR-933:


Notice that one sign lists the "enter" county first, while the other lists the "leave" county first. One shows just the names of the counties while the other adds the "Co."

As cabiness states, many signs on the interstates show just the name of the county the driver is entering.

Indiana has three sets of standards for signing highways at County Lines; the Indiana Toll Road (inconsistent), the Interstate System (MUTCD sign I2, listing only the name of the county one is entering), and for US/State Roads (IN MUTCD sign I-Y12, showing both the "leaving" and "entering" county); hence the variations depicted here. The Toll Road seems to have NO standards whatsoever since it was privatized (or "pirateized" as some maintain). They even improperly use a County Route 17 shield on some of the BGS signs at/approaching the interchange with County Road 17 east of Elkhart. Elkhart County has authorized NO County Routes. The number there is part of the highway NAME, not a route designation.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2019, 01:27:06 PM »

May as well post this here, NJ state and country welcome signs. None of it is my work except finding them and putting them together.

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I guess the officials in Monmouth & Ocean counties want to express that there is either no room for selfish people in their area (or no room for people who cooperate with others) since they state they are the "NO. I" place to live. Either that, or the have a Horta choosing their fonts ("NO KILL I").  :bigass:
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2019, 01:37:12 PM »

In Indiana, INDOT puts up signs on their roads.  Interstates just have signs naming the county you are entering.  US and State highways have signs that say Enter XXX Co  Leave YYY Co.  It's up to the counties as to whether or not they sign county roads.

Though they don't anymore. County lines are not signed on the new I-69, and several signs on US 24 and I-94 have been missing for years and have never been replaced. When I reported those signs being missing (along with the Central/Eastern Time Zone sign on I-94 at the MI line), they informed me that they have indeed discontinued that sort of signage due to safety and cost, as many people nowadays use their cell phones to determine what county they are in, what city they are passing through, or what time it is.

How cheap can you get???
INDOT is notorious for doing things as cheaply as possible, even if it costs more in the long run. Yes, they are beginning to phase out I2 signs on Interstates and other roads, which is a shame and adds to distracted driving as people take their eyes off the road to check their f'n cell phones to determine where the heck they are. But if they name the road after a lackey politician (esp. a member of the GOP), they seem to find all the money needed to put up a huge sign with no problem whatsoever (see the signs on I-469 near Ft. Wayne).
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2019, 03:31:08 PM »

May as well post this here, NJ state and country welcome signs. None of it is my work except finding them and putting them together.

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I guess the officials in Monmouth & Ocean counties want to express that there is either no room for selfish people in their area (or no room for people who cooperate with others) since they state they are the "NO. I" place to live. Either that, or the have a Horta choosing their fonts ("NO KILL I").  :bigass:
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2019, 09:02:31 AM »

Michigan might of already been answered and I might of posted already I can't remember and don't feel like looking lol. Michigan generally uses just County under the name of the county like on I-75 it would simply say, "Wayne County" or on a state highway most of the time it will say, "Enter Saginaw County" and for the most part that's how it is in Michigan.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2019, 01:06:26 PM »

Michigan might of already been answered and I might of posted already I can't remember and don't feel like looking lol. Michigan generally uses just County under the name of the county like on I-75 it would simply say, "Wayne County" or on a state highway most of the time it will say, "Enter Saginaw County" and for the most part that's how it is in Michigan.

Pro tip:  When you're in a thread, simply type something in the search bar up at the top, then click [Search].  For example, you can very easily search this thread for "Michigan".
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2019, 01:25:07 PM »

The only "search" function that I can see takes me to a new page and searches the entire forum.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2019, 01:28:24 PM »

The only "search" function that I can see takes me to a new page and searches the entire forum.

Searching while in a thread searches the thread itself; searching anywhere else searches the entire forum.
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2019, 01:31:00 PM »

The only "search" function that I can see takes me to a new page and searches the entire forum.

Searching while in a thread searches the thread itself; searching anywhere else searches the entire forum.

What I'm saying is that it's is not possible to search while in a thread. I have to go to the search page, which then searches the entire forum.

(Edit: fixed typo and reworded for clarity)
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Re: County Line vs Entering a County
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2019, 04:04:38 PM »


Michigan might of already been answered and I might of posted already I can't remember and don't feel like looking lol. Michigan generally uses just County under the name of the county like on I-75 it would simply say, "Wayne County" or on a state highway most of the time it will say, "Enter Saginaw County" and for the most part that's how it is in Michigan.

Pro tip:  When you're in a thread, simply type something in the search bar up at the top, then click [Search].  For example, you can very easily search this thread for "Michigan".



The only "search" function that I can see takes me to a new page and searches the entire forum.

Searching while in a thread searches the thread itself; searching anywhere else searches the entire forum.

What I'm saying is that it's is not possible to search while in a thread. I have to go to the search page, which then searches the entire forum.

(Edit: fixed typo and reworded for clarity)

Here is where I enter my search criteria within a thread.  This searches only the thread I'm in.  Are you saying that box doesn't exist for you?

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