Florida

[NE2]

Seems that Florida did not sign its U.S. Highways until 1929:
https://archive.org/details/FloridaHighways06-1929/page/n8/mode/1up
https://archive.org/details/FloridaHighways08-1929/page/n13/mode/1up

[D-Dey65]

Personally, I would be comfortable with speed limits increasing to 75MPH on Alligator Alley, Turnpike from Jupiter to St. Cloud, Suncoast Parkway north of FL-54, and I-10 west of Baldwin (excluding Tallahassee and Pensacola suburban areas). Most of these highways are relatively level grade with lower AADT counts and larger average distances between exits. These highways are also only 4 lanes in most sections.

I've noticed other posters mention safety in regards to increasing the speed on Florida's freeways. I commute 50 miles each way along I-75 every day between Hillsborough and Sarasota counties, and I see all sorts of atrocious driving: left and center lane campers driving under the speed limit, people speeding in the shoulder to pass vehicles, left lane drivers divebombing across all lanes of traffic at the last second to take an exit,  people forcing their way in front of semis that barely have a car length between them and the car in front of them, and the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, people don't either realize or care that higher actual (not posted) speeds do lead to less safe highways. I'm not going to get into the effects various highway and weather conditions contribute to the safety, or lack thereof, of this state's highways.

My biggest issue with increasing speed limits to 80MPH is more of an economic issue. Obviously, an increase in the actual speed a vehicle travels is going to decrease the vehicle's fuel economy. For instance, my vehicle has a 12 gallon tank and I can get approximately 35 MPG in average highway driving conditions, so I can realistically go 420 miles until I run out of fuel. I had driven once from New Braunfels, TX to Ft. Stockton, TX via downtown San Antonio, a 350 mile drive. I topped off the gas tank as I left New Braunfels. All of I-10 west of Bexar County is either 75 or 80MPH, and I had to pull off the road 35 miles before Ft. Stockton because my fuel economy tanked after I started going 80 MPH and ended up not having enough fuel to make it. Additionally, faster speeds contribute to reduced tire and brake life. I'm fortunate my car is paid off, but if I can reduce the cost of vehicle maintenance, I'm all for it.

So, to make a long story short, 75MPH would be good on certain sections of road, but I think 80MPH is ridiculous, not just in Florida, but in general.

I don't know. I'm okay with doing 80, and I've seen people go faster. Maybe the fact that my current and previous cars gas tanks that were bigger than 12 gallons might have something to do with it.

[ElishaGOtis]

Personally, I would be comfortable with speed limits increasing to 75MPH on Alligator Alley, Turnpike from Jupiter to St. Cloud, Suncoast Parkway north of FL-54, and I-10 west of Baldwin (excluding Tallahassee and Pensacola suburban areas). Most of these highways are relatively level grade with lower AADT counts and larger average distances between exits. These highways are also only 4 lanes in most sections.

I've noticed other posters mention safety in regards to increasing the speed on Florida's freeways. I commute 50 miles each way along I-75 every day between Hillsborough and Sarasota counties, and I see all sorts of atrocious driving: left and center lane campers driving under the speed limit, people speeding in the shoulder to pass vehicles, left lane drivers divebombing across all lanes of traffic at the last second to take an exit,  people forcing their way in front of semis that barely have a car length between them and the car in front of them, and the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, people don't either realize or care that higher actual (not posted) speeds do lead to less safe highways. I'm not going to get into the effects various highway and weather conditions contribute to the safety, or lack thereof, of this state's highways.

My biggest issue with increasing speed limits to 80MPH is more of an economic issue. Obviously, an increase in the actual speed a vehicle travels is going to decrease the vehicle's fuel economy. For instance, my vehicle has a 12 gallon tank and I can get approximately 35 MPG in average highway driving conditions, so I can realistically go 420 miles until I run out of fuel. I had driven once from New Braunfels, TX to Ft. Stockton, TX via downtown San Antonio, a 350 mile drive. I topped off the gas tank as I left New Braunfels. All of I-10 west of Bexar County is either 75 or 80MPH, and I had to pull off the road 35 miles before Ft. Stockton because my fuel economy tanked after I started going 80 MPH and ended up not having enough fuel to make it. Additionally, faster speeds contribute to reduced tire and brake life. I'm fortunate my car is paid off, but if I can reduce the cost of vehicle maintenance, I'm all for it.

So, to make a long story short, 75MPH would be good on certain sections of road, but I think 80MPH is ridiculous, not just in Florida, but in general.

I don't know. I'm okay with doing 80, and I've seen people go faster. Maybe the fact that my current and previous cars gas tanks that were bigger than 12 gallons might have something to do with it.

I've commonly seen AVERAGE speeds in Alligator Alley be higher than 80mph. Shoot, I've even was told of average speeds of 85mph in the I-295 Express Lanes in Jacksonville by my boss lol 😂

[sydneyclaridge]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

[skatcher]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

It makes sense; it reduces the traffic lights to 2 cycles instead of 3, which will provide better throughput for all vehicles going through the intersection.

[ElishaGOtis]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

It makes sense; it reduces the traffic lights to 2 cycles instead of 3, which will provide better throughput for all vehicles going through the intersection.

Or in this case zero   

But in all seriousness, there does exist one of these legitimately in Jacksonville.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZTgMWZXiDq72Me879?g_st=ic

More information: https://tinyurl.com/ynsm5as3

[sydneyclaridge]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

It makes sense; it reduces the traffic lights to 2 cycles instead of 3, which will provide better throughput for all vehicles going through the intersection.

Or in this case zero   

But in all seriousness, there does exist one of these legitimately in Jacksonville.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZTgMWZXiDq72Me879?g_st=ic

More information: https://tinyurl.com/ynsm5as3

Technically that Jacksonville intersection is a displaced left or continuous-flow intersection, as the left-turn lanes run parallel to St. Johns Parkway rather than SR 9B. In a parallel-flow intersection, the left-turn lanes are parallel to the cross-street (the road you are turning onto), not the street you are turning from.

There is a modified PFI planned for US 1/Nocatee Parkway/Race Track Road, however.

[ElishaGOtis]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

It makes sense; it reduces the traffic lights to 2 cycles instead of 3, which will provide better throughput for all vehicles going through the intersection.

Or in this case zero   

But in all seriousness, there does exist one of these legitimately in Jacksonville.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZTgMWZXiDq72Me879?g_st=ic

More information: https://tinyurl.com/ynsm5as3 DANGER: it's actually a Rick Roll this was posted on April 1

Technically that Jacksonville intersection is a displaced left or continuous-flow intersection, as the left-turn lanes run parallel to St. Johns Parkway rather than SR 9B. In a parallel-flow intersection, the left-turn lanes are parallel to the cross-street (the road you are turning onto), not the street you are turning from.

There is a modified PFI planned for US 1/Nocatee Parkway/Race Track Road, however.

Speaking of innovative intersections...

https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=6090

https://nflroads.com/ProjectFiles/6090/CR%20210%20at%20CR%202209%20(St.%20Johns%20Parkway)%20Intersection%20Access%20Management%20Improvements%20Aerial%20Overlay%20Map.pdf

This thing is being proposed at CR-210 and CR-2209/St John's Pkwy.

[NJRoadfan]

Thats one weird looking jughandle setup.

[skatcher]

Thats one weird looking jughandle setup.

Jughandles at least make sense; one of the left turn movements on this atrocity requires going through 3 traffic lights!!! I'll take my good ole "Left & U Turns from Right Lane" and "All Turns from Right Lane" signs all day over whatever that is.

The worst part is there is a freeway beginning one mile to the north of here, with no traffic lights in between. It is probably not feasible, but it would be better to extend the freeway south to maybe a mile south of here and build a SPUI at this junction instead.

[formulanone]

Thats one weird looking jughandle setup.

Jughandles at least make sense; one of the left turn movements on this atrocity requires going through 3 traffic lights!!! I'll take my good ole "Left & U Turns from Right Lane" and "All Turns from Right Lane" signs all day over whatever that is.

The worst part is there is a freeway beginning one mile to the north of here, with no traffic lights in between. It is probably not feasible, but it would be better to extend the freeway south to maybe a mile south of here and build a SPUI at this junction instead.

Michigan Left outside in the sun too long.

Gotta hand it Florida for trying some weirdly innovative ideas but that also looks like an unintuitive design for pedestrians with lots of unwieldy meandering.

[NJRoadfan]

Its more like:

Engineer #1: Should we consider a jughandle, a channelized intersection, or a Michigan Left for this intersection?

Engineer #2: Why not all of the above?

[ElishaGOtis]

Goodness forbid next thing I know FDOT's gonna start toying around with ghost island merges or burger roundabouts or the like in Florida 😂 knowing that they like doing very weird things.


Hehehehehehe.



*Poker face* 




_{I'm actively working on a proposal for at least 2 ghost island merges to test out, no official announcement yet but still}

[D-Dey65]

I was reading about the SR 516 project when I noticed that the T-interchange at US 27 appears to be an innovative design, essentially a grade-separated version of a parallel-flow intersection.

https://www.cfxway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/SR-516-Display-Board-07-2024-copy.pdf

It makes sense; it reduces the traffic lights to 2 cycles instead of 3, which will provide better throughput for all vehicles going through the intersection.

Or in this case zero   

It's better to have something that removes the need for traffic lights, not adds more of them.

[D-Dey65]

Florida had this issue with mile marker 420 on I-75, so per the legend, it was actually replaced with a 419.9 sign

More than likely the reason that former Hernando County Road 420 was redesignated Hernando County Road 576.

Somehow, I think I may have mentioned this before.

[NE2]

Hernando did an anal grid renumbering of all their county roads. Since 420 was south of 50, it needed a new number. Nothing to do with taking the pot.

[ElishaGOtis]

Hernando did an anal grid renumbering of all their county roads. Since 420 was south of 50, it needed a new number. Nothing to do with taking the pot.

You gotta wonder what they were smoking half the time when the numbers were initially assigned   

[roadman65]

I see FTE has reinstated the SB ramp to Exit 285 at Groveland on the Turnpike.  The ramp was removed in 1995 when the ticket system was removed between Three Lakes and Wildwood.

Ditto from SR 19/ US 27 to the Turnpike NB.  The on ramp is also being reinstalled that was also removed in the same year.


Also in Clermont its a little more complicated to go from NB US 27 to EB SR 50.  The ramp there ties into the intersection of Hooks Street and Grand Highway and used the latter as the connection to SR 50.  Now motorists have to use EB Hooks Street as cross traffic is prohibited across Hooks to Grand Highway. 

[NE2]

I think you've had to turn right on Hooks since they built the cloverleaf.

[NE2]

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

The former (SR 537) had no such signs when I drove it a couple days ago. The latter (SR 534) is no longer in the SLDs or GIS data, so someone must have realized they screwed up.

[ElishaGOtis]

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

The former (SR 537) had no such signs when I drove it a couple days ago. The latter (SR 534) is no longer in the SLDs or GIS data, so someone must have realized they screwed up.

The SLD for 537 still says 93F funny enough. I believe it was a part of D7's large conversion of almost-frontage-roads to independent SR numbers. Some 55F, 60F, 600F and 694F had a few converted as well (though not all).

[skatcher]

New state highway map dropped for 2025 https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/co-gis/current-state-map/current-state-map.pdf?sfvrsn=90517147_12

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

My best guess would be the driveways originally connecting these properties to CR 41/Blanton Rd were severed when the state built I-75 in the 60s, so I'm figuring the state built the elongated driveways to connect the properties to the road, and then someone many years later decided to inventory these. Hmmm, I'm wondering if these property owners can have the state do repair work on those sections the state built?

[Max Rockatansky]

New state highway map dropped for 2025 https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/co-gis/current-state-map/current-state-map.pdf?sfvrsn=90517147_12

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

My best guess would be the driveways originally connecting these properties to CR 41/Blanton Rd were severed when the state built I-75 in the 60s, so I'm figuring the state built the elongated driveways to connect the properties to the road, and then someone many years later decided to inventory these. Hmmm, I'm wondering if these property owners can have the state do repair work on those sections the state built?

If you want the clinch fly a drone over the gate and roadway.

[ElishaGOtis]

New state highway map dropped for 2025 https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/co-gis/current-state-map/current-state-map.pdf?sfvrsn=90517147_12

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

My best guess would be the driveways originally connecting these properties to CR 41/Blanton Rd were severed when the state built I-75 in the 60s, so I'm figuring the state built the elongated driveways to connect the properties to the road, and then someone many years later decided to inventory these. Hmmm, I'm wondering if these property owners can have the state do repair work on those sections the state built?

If you want the clinch fly a drone over the gate and roadway.

It's no longer a state road though 🤓

[Max Rockatansky]

New state highway map dropped for 2025 https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/co-gis/current-state-map/current-state-map.pdf?sfvrsn=90517147_12

Also, on a slightly different note, I was out investigating some of the new additions to the SHS, and I'm not sure if these are an error or a result of the technicality that FHWA placed... the two SR-93F roads near Exit 293 on I-75 are both (effectively private) DRIVEWAYS, one of which has a gate blocking the roadway entirely.

No clinching this one y'all...  

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Stoaxjxzs9K3V4Ws8 (a non-MUTCD compliant sign was installed stating private property / no trespassing after the GSV image was taken)

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PDyouBw23XrhEwuRA (the gate has since been replaced with a bigger gate)

My best guess would be the driveways originally connecting these properties to CR 41/Blanton Rd were severed when the state built I-75 in the 60s, so I'm figuring the state built the elongated driveways to connect the properties to the road, and then someone many years later decided to inventory these. Hmmm, I'm wondering if these property owners can have the state do repair work on those sections the state built?

If you want the clinch fly a drone over the gate and roadway.

It's no longer a state road though 🤓

It WAS one though.  The odd story about why it existed it is more interesting than a significant percentage of State Roads in Florida.