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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #200 on: August 08, 2019, 05:37:53 PM »

The high school conference in that part of Wisconsin is called the Fox Valley Association, so the term Fox Valley is definitely used up there, too.  I live and work in between those two areas and I hear it used in reference to Wisconsin much more than Illinois. 

There's actually some discussion of the 2 Fox Valleys much earlier in this topic.  So to repeat myself from earlier, the Fox River in the Appleton, Wisconsin area and the Fox River in Elgin, Illinois are not the same river, although the Fox River that runs though the Fox Valley in Illinois begins in Wisconsin.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #201 on: September 16, 2019, 10:06:06 PM »

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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #202 on: September 22, 2019, 05:42:34 AM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #203 on: September 22, 2019, 12:35:05 PM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #204 on: September 22, 2019, 12:40:15 PM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #205 on: September 22, 2019, 02:06:59 PM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

Your analysis is making too broad of a conclusion given actual nuances in the composition of the population.

Like I said, compared to Northampton and Amherst.  There is definitely a higher number of conservatives as you go west, no matter which way the majority elects their representatives.

The conservatism of the area east of the Valley went without saying, although the idea that Amherst isn't liberal is laughable, going by your generalization.

In any matter, my overall point is that the signs regarding the Valley are further out than some people really consider the Valley.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #206 on: September 22, 2019, 03:44:48 PM »

It seems like Massachusetts just signs it that way for the whole 55 miles of I-91, from the Connecticut and Vermont borders. Here it's simply central Connecticut while some will say greater Hartford. I get to within a few hundred feet of the state's geographical center on my walks in Berlin. Without giving the exact address away, I'll just say it's very close to CT Route 372, where traffic dumps out onto it from the Berlin Fair every September.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #207 on: September 22, 2019, 10:06:23 PM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

Your analysis is making too broad of a conclusion given actual nuances in the composition of the population.

Like I said, compared to Northampton and Amherst.  There is definitely a higher number of conservatives as you go west, no matter which way the majority elects their representatives.

The conservatism of the area east of the Valley went without saying, although the idea that Amherst isn't liberal is laughable, going by your generalization.

In any matter, my overall point is that the signs regarding the Valley are further out than some people really consider the Valley.

This seems like a good discussion for the "parts of state isolated from the rest of their state" thread because Massachusetts west of I-91 definitely feels more like Vermont than it does the rest of the state. Vermont's hill people are also fairly conservative.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #208 on: September 23, 2019, 07:02:28 AM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

Your analysis is making too broad of a conclusion given actual nuances in the composition of the population.

Like I said, compared to Northampton and Amherst.  There is definitely a higher number of conservatives as you go west, no matter which way the majority elects their representatives.

The conservatism of the area east of the Valley went without saying, although the idea that Amherst isn't liberal is laughable, going by your generalization.

In any matter, my overall point is that the signs regarding the Valley are further out than some people really consider the Valley.

This seems like a good discussion for the "parts of state isolated from the rest of their state" thread because Massachusetts west of I-91 definitely feels more like Vermont than it does the rest of the state. Vermont's hill people are also fairly conservative.
And yet, I think culturally, western MA is still distinguished from VT.  Bennington, North Adams and Williamstown are all distinct locations, for example.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #209 on: September 23, 2019, 10:19:35 PM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

Your analysis is making too broad of a conclusion given actual nuances in the composition of the population.

Like I said, compared to Northampton and Amherst.  There is definitely a higher number of conservatives as you go west, no matter which way the majority elects their representatives.

The conservatism of the area east of the Valley went without saying, although the idea that Amherst isn't liberal is laughable, going by your generalization.

In any matter, my overall point is that the signs regarding the Valley are further out than some people really consider the Valley.

This seems like a good discussion for the "parts of state isolated from the rest of their state" thread because Massachusetts west of I-91 definitely feels more like Vermont than it does the rest of the state. Vermont's hill people are also fairly conservative.
And yet, I think culturally, western MA is still distinguished from VT.  Bennington, North Adams and Williamstown are all distinct locations, for example.

And Bennington is distinct from Newport or White River Junction. I think that Western MA has more in common with Vermont writ large than it does with the rest of MA. It's less industrial than Springfield, Worcester, and Lowell, isn't coastal like SE MA and the Cape, and certainly isn't a sprawling metro like the Rt. 128 corridor and Boston. Its political and social culture is closer to Vermont and the Connecticut River Valley of New Hampshire than MA, which isn't surprising given that state lines are fairly artificial boundaries.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #210 on: September 24, 2019, 08:36:07 AM »



The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

Your analysis is making too broad of a conclusion given actual nuances in the composition of the population.

Like I said, compared to Northampton and Amherst.  There is definitely a higher number of conservatives as you go west, no matter which way the majority elects their representatives.

The conservatism of the area east of the Valley went without saying, although the idea that Amherst isn't liberal is laughable, going by your generalization.

In any matter, my overall point is that the signs regarding the Valley are further out than some people really consider the Valley.

This seems like a good discussion for the "parts of state isolated from the rest of their state" thread because Massachusetts west of I-91 definitely feels more like Vermont than it does the rest of the state. Vermont's hill people are also fairly conservative.
And yet, I think culturally, western MA is still distinguished from VT.  Bennington, North Adams and Williamstown are all distinct locations, for example.

And Bennington is distinct from Newport or White River Junction. I think that Western MA has more in common with Vermont writ large than it does with the rest of MA. It's less industrial than Springfield, Worcester, and Lowell, isn't coastal like SE MA and the Cape, and certainly isn't a sprawling metro like the Rt. 128 corridor and Boston. Its political and social culture is closer to Vermont and the Connecticut River Valley of New Hampshire than MA, which isn't surprising given that state lines are fairly artificial boundaries.

Your definition of western MA differs from how locals define it.  Locals in the area call western MA basically anything from Ware to the west (of course, with regional definitions, the border's fuzzy).  Gardner, for instance, doesn't "feel" like western MA to say, someone from Longmeadow or Leverett.

Springfield is reluctantly accepted as the "capital" of western MA, despite most locals considering it also the "elephant graveyard" of the region (we don't go there).  So, separating it out isn't really how the region is defined.

The Berkshires/Berkshire County are viewed as a subset of western MA by those in the Valley.  Kind of interesting, really.  I think Northampton and Amherst have a closer regional tie to the northern corridor along MA 2 (Shelburne Falls, Williamstown and North Adams) than, say, Pittsfield.  Pittsfield can feel like a world away (and a dying city without much reason to visit), but locals still think of it as western Mass.

Anyway, although I agree the culture is closer to Vermont's, it is still distinguished from Vermont.  The hippies of MA do view their counterparts to the north as being of a different breed (one example).  It's sort of like how some Americans view Canadians:  Sure, we're similar culturally, but there are distinct differences that keep us separated.

Heh, and I think everyone agrees Worcester is a different area.  Although western Mass is stuck with Springfield, they are more than happy to not lay claim to that steaming cesspool that is Worcester.  Only reason to go there was Spag's back in the day and now that's not even there anymore.  Pioneer Valley people also tend to look down their noses at people from Worcester (which you can detect a mile away from their accent which can be harsher than anything in the Boston area).
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #211 on: September 26, 2019, 11:21:39 AM »

The Connecticut River area of Massachusetts is called the Pioneer Valley.
MA probably still has signs up in a couple of places that say entering or leaving the pioneer valley.  The thing is that I think those signs stretch the definition.  As soon as you hit the hills, especially to the west, people don't think of themselves as part of the valley.

There is also something of a political divide as the hilltowns lean more conservative compared to say, the liberal meccas of Northampton and Amherst.

Both the 2016 precinct map and the current state legislature delegation show that almost everything west of I-91/US 5 is liberal (basically an extension of Vermont), while the more conservative area is the part between Springfield and Worcester.

And even that is a pretty broad-brushed and not exactly correct political analysis of the state.  You're right in that the most "conservative" areas of MA (such as they are) tend to be in central MA - mainly northern and southern parts of Worcester County.  The other conservative area in MA seems to be in the inland SE part of the state - an area accessed by 495. Hampden, Hampshire, Franklin and Berkshire Counties used to be more moderate politically but are now quite far left.   Northampton, Amherst and North Adams/Williamstown are as politically progressive as anyplace in the country and hold their own with the likes of Cambridge as far as that goes. Then again, Mass is a state where all politics tend to be discussed in shades of blue and the main political discourse is between the left and the farther left.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #212 on: September 26, 2019, 01:35:28 PM »

Although Amherst is still liberal, it has shifted more right (still on left) since when I was a kid.  There have been business developments that would have been protested to high heaven in the 1980s that were accepted this past decade or so.

A proposal to develop Flat Hills in particular came closer to coming to fruition than it would have ever done in the 1980s, for one example.

And, although the likes of Ashfield and Cummington have probably become more liberal over the years, I'd still think places like Otis or Chesterfield or Plainfield to be more moderate.
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Re: What Do Locals Call Your Part Of The State???
« Reply #213 on: September 26, 2019, 11:25:18 PM »

https://www.govisithawaii.com/2008/04/09/what-does-leeward-and-windward-mean/


Hawaii mentions certain parts of their state as Windward and Leeward sides of the islands.
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« Reply #214 on: September 27, 2019, 11:41:16 AM »

Although Amherst is still liberal, it has shifted more right (still on left) since when I was a kid.  There have been business developments that would have been protested to high heaven in the 1980s that were accepted this past decade or so.

A proposal to develop Flat Hills in particular came closer to coming to fruition than it would have ever done in the 1980s, for one example.

And, although the likes of Ashfield and Cummington have probably become more liberal over the years, I'd still think places like Otis or Chesterfield or Plainfield to be more moderate.

Here's a link to the 2016 election map for Massachusetts.  More Trump voters in the Springfield area than I'd have thought but otherwise the pattern remains the same:
https://www.wbur.org/politicker/2016/11/08/massachusetts-election-map
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