Breezewood

[kphoger]

Hmm, well how about I-99? I have pretty much the same view on that subject.

Most people want Breezewood rebuilt.  Most people want a different number on I-99.
Which one of those two things characterizes your view on both?

Neither of them.

Oh.  You meant you're tired of hearing about both of them, then?

[empirestate]

Hmm, well how about I-99? I have pretty much the same view on that subject.

Most people want Breezewood rebuilt.  Most people want a different number on I-99.
Which one of those two things characterizes your view on both?

Neither of them.

Oh.  You meant you're tired of hearing about both of them, then?

No, I mean I appreciate both for the curiosities they are. The fact that they break the rules makes them interesting, rather than infuriating, to me. What's more, I always thought that appreciation of the curiosities was a big component of the wanderlust that motivates us roadfans–the Blue Highways mentality, if you will–and so the apparent pervasive hatred of them represents a chink in my worldview.

[theroadwayone]

Just saying, I'm still up for the idea of making the turnpike I-70 from New Stanton to the Delaware River, making the I-x76s there into I-x70s, and making I-70 from Hancock to Baltimore I-68 (with I-70 between Breezewood and Hancock into an I-x68.)

[Beltway]

Just saying, I'm still up for the idea of making the turnpike I-70 from New Stanton to the Delaware River, making the I-x76s there into I-x70s, and making I-70 from Hancock to Baltimore I-68 (with I-70 between Breezewood and Hancock into an I-x68.)

How would Philadelphia feel about losing I-76?

[Beltway]

No, I mean I appreciate both for the curiosities they are. The fact that they break the rules makes them interesting, rather than infuriating, to me. What's more, I always thought that appreciation of the curiosities was a big component of the wanderlust that motivates us roadfans–the Blue Highways mentality, if you will–and so the apparent pervasive hatred of them represents a chink in my worldview.

I see little if any "pervasive hatred of them".  I-99 is not that big of a deal, say Delaware wanted to assign that to the DE-1 superhighway, they would probably be able to get AASHTO to approve it as it would be far enough away that there should be no problem with having the second occurrence.

The I-70 gap is simply a missing important link in the Interstate system, nothing more and nothing less.

[theroadwayone]

Just saying, I'm still up for the idea of making the turnpike I-70 from New Stanton to the Delaware River, making the I-x76s there into I-x70s, and making I-70 from Hancock to Baltimore I-68 (with I-70 between Breezewood and Hancock into an I-x68.)

How would Philadelphia feel about losing I-76?

For all I care, they can just suck it.

[jeffandnicole]

Just saying, I'm still up for the idea of making the turnpike I-70 from New Stanton to the Delaware River, making the I-x76s there into I-x70s, and making I-70 from Hancock to Baltimore I-68 (with I-70 between Breezewood and Hancock into an I-x68.)

How would Philadelphia feel about losing I-76?

For all I care, they can just suck it.

Why? They have nothing to do with the Breezewood situation. Heck, they have their own Breezewood situation.

And if Philly loses 76, they lose 676 as well.

[theroadwayone]

And if Philly loses 76, they lose 676 as well.
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If I-76 becomes I-70, then I-676 would just become I-670.

I have a feeling that this is either moving towards Fictional Highways or Mid-Atlantic. (Or both.)

[Avalanchez71]

What is the cost to adjust the Breezewood situation?  I think the tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere.

[cpzilliacus]

What is the cost to adjust the Breezewood situation?  I think the tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere.

Two ramps.  Maybe those should be two lanes wide at the dropped pin here and the cost to revise signage. 

One ramp exiting the I-70 connector road eastbound after the Breezewood toll plaza to the right to head east on I-70 (but headed south here); and one cloverleaf ramp from I-70 westbound (but headed in a northerly  direction) to enter the connector road westbound.

[Beltway]

What is the cost to adjust the Breezewood situation?  I think the tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere.

Two ramps.  Maybe those should be two lanes wide at the dropped pin here and the cost to revise signage. 
One ramp exiting the I-70 connector road eastbound after the Breezewood toll plaza to the right to head east on I-70 (but headed south here); and one cloverleaf ramp from I-70 westbound (but headed in a northerly  direction) to enter the connector road westbound.

A large radius loop ramp for westbound, a finger ramp for eastbound, connecting I-70 to the Turnpike access highway.  Estimate $30 million for one-lane ramps and $45 million for two-lane ramps.  That would complete the I-70 gap.

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

[theroadwayone]

What is the cost to adjust the Breezewood situation?  I think the tax dollars would be better spent elsewhere.

Two ramps.  Maybe those should be two lanes wide at the dropped pin here and the cost to revise signage. 
One ramp exiting the I-70 connector road eastbound after the Breezewood toll plaza to the right to head east on I-70 (but headed south here); and one cloverleaf ramp from I-70 westbound (but headed in a northerly  direction) to enter the connector road westbound.

A large radius loop ramp for westbound, a finger ramp for eastbound, connecting I-70 to the Turnpike access highway.  Estimate $30 million for one-lane ramps and $45 million for two-lane ramps.  That would complete the I-70 gap.

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

I kinda had the same idea.

[hbelkins]

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

Doesn't most of that traffic use I-70 to I-81 to connect to the turnpike west of Harrisburg?

[Beltway]

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

Doesn't most of that traffic use I-70 to I-81 to connect to the turnpike west of Harrisburg?

Just checked and Google Maps gives identical times and 2 miles in difference in the two routes above. 

So actually to avoid tolls west of Carlisle, it looks like I-70 to I-81 should be the preferred route.

[Avalanchez71]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

[kphoger]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

[jeffandnicole]

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

Doesn't most of that traffic use I-70 to I-81 to connect to the turnpike west of Harrisburg?

Just checked and Google Maps gives identical times and 2 miles in difference in the two routes above. 

So actually to avoid tolls west of Carlisle, it looks like I-70 to I-81 should be the preferred route.

You checked at a single point in time.  Are they always going to be the same travel time?

[US 89]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

Actually, Google recommends this from Washington PA to Hancock MD. If you're obsessed with staying on interstates the whole time, you can take I-79 down to Morgantown WV and then east on I-68.

[kkt]

I-99 doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.  The number is out of grid, but they had to number it something, and no numbers that were in grid were available.

[oscar]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

Actually, Google recommends this from Washington PA to Hancock MD. If you're obsessed with staying on interstates the whole time, you can take I-79 down to Morgantown WV and then east on I-68.

I think that sometimes is a good alternative, but only if I'm heading west on I-70 into Ohio. That way I avoid not just Breezewood, but also a substandard stretch of I-70 between Washington PA and New Stanton PA. If my destination is Pittsburgh or points beyond, I'll just put up with Breezewood to pick up the Pennsylvania Turnpike there.

[MNHighwayMan]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

I just spit my drink all over, thanks.

[Avalanchez71]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

Do the routes have trailblazers?

[MNHighwayMan]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

This route is actually shorter.

[Beltway]

Actually those ramps would also provide the connection to the easterly Turnpike, as long-distance traffic between I-68 and I-76 is important as it needs to connect to Harrisburg and east, places like the Philadelphia area, Allentown, Bethlehem, Scranton, New York City, etc.  So two lanes would be ideal on these ramps.

Doesn't most of that traffic use I-70 to I-81 to connect to the turnpike west of Harrisburg?

Just checked and Google Maps gives identical times and 2 miles in difference in the two routes above. 
So actually to avoid tolls west of Carlisle, it looks like I-70 to I-81 should be the preferred route.

You checked at a single point in time.  Are they always going to be the same travel time?

Not necessarily, but either route has no particular issues with regard to urban congestion.

[ixnay]

Is there not a Breezewood bypass routing?

Of course there is.  Why people don't just do this instead of having to endure the horror of a break in I-70, I'll never understand.

Do the routes have trailblazers?

LOL!

ixnay