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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2018, 01:25:26 AM »

Oklahoma City might be big enough to support a couple of regional light rail lines, such as one line from downtown OKC to the Will Rogers Airport and then perhaps another line North-South from Edmond down thru OKC and then to Norman. Outside of that buses would be more cost effective.

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Wasn't the part north of I-40 called I-440 at one time as well?

I don't think so. From my first visits to OKC when I was a little kid in the 1970's that road was I-240.

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I really don't think that's the case, particularly in the Lawton, OKC (and it's burbs), Tulsa (and it's burbs), Bartlesville/Dewey, and McAlester/Krebs areas, and some decent intercity connections.

That depends on the type of mass transit being discussed. I think Lawton does okay with the LATS bus system. However, if I recall correctly, the bus lines do get a fair amount of grant subsidies. The system is not self sufficient. I wouldn't be surprised if Uber and Lyft are both taking a serious bite out of LATS' revenue and bus ridership.

There is no way Lawton could afford to install any rail-based system. That kind of thing is strictly for highly populated areas with a great tax base.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2018, 05:55:42 PM »

Mass transit will work in OKC if itís done right. I donít know about Tulsa, but I donít see why it couldnít. But it wonít be anything like Montrealís or NYC. It will need to be designed around cars and park and ride lots primarily.

And that would be fine to start with, not like there's a shortage of park and ride spaces, just services stopping at them.

Either way, though, you only need a population density of 1500/sq mi to support full blown subway services with frequent intervals and long service hours.

And Tillamook has a population density that's best measured in square miles per person and a bus service.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2018, 09:02:41 PM »

In the case of I-44 in OKC, it was originally a bigger I-240 loop up past Penn Square Mall. IIRC the segment between Broadway Extension/I-235 and I-35 wasn't finished until the mid to late 1980's after the I-44 designation was applied. There was still an at-grade intersection or two along the route.

Only on maps.  I do not recall ever seeing it signed that way. 

Wasn't the part north of I-40 called I-440 at one time as well?
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2018, 01:32:53 PM »

I specifically remember seeing I-240 signs near Penn Square Mall back in 1980. I had a Great Aunt and Uncle who lived just South of Penn Square Mall close to the Penn Ave exit. My brother and I walked our dogs down to what's now the I-44/Penn exit. I remember seeing the post signs with I-240 shields mounted onto them.
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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2018, 02:07:06 PM »

It wouldn't work here because it is too sprawled out. There would have to be hundreds if not thousands of buses running 24/7/365 for them to be practical. The thought of light rail in Tulsa is laughable at best and ridiculous at worst. There's simply nowhere to put the tracks.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2018, 03:31:39 AM »

I think the model that would work best for OKC is to set up a line to tie together what high density nodes already existóCampus Corner, downtown Norman, downtown OKC, Bricktown, Automobile Alley, the Paseoówith plenty of stops placed in between to try to kickstart new high-density development around them. My understanding is that is how the Washington Metro developed.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2018, 03:50:01 AM »

Yeah, a light rail system in OKC could sort of work if it had one big North-South line serving the most important stops between Edmond, downtown OKC and Norman and then an East-West line starting at Will Rogers airport, meeting the North-South line downtown somewhere and then ending out in Midwest City near Tinker AFB. But then that still leaves out the Northwest Highway corridor off NW of downtown (a pretty important area). I'm sure there's other areas that would be miffed for being left out of a commuter rail service plan. It's a catch-22 situation to announce such a plan to the public.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2018, 05:50:01 AM »

Ideally, OKC needs about 5 billion to start a decent light rail network. Hopefully they skip past commuter rail for Norman and OKC and go straight to LRT.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2018, 12:28:15 AM »

I think this project is now fully funded or at least the reconstruction and widening of I-44. This press release doesnít mention the interchange itself, but Iím guessing that is part of this project. For Tulsaís sake, I hope this isnít dragged into some 5+ year multi phase bullshit. Hopefully the money is there so it can all be built at once.

https://ok.gov/triton/modules/newsroom/newsroom_article.php?id=277&article_id=44777
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2018, 01:05:09 AM »

Riverside Drive just opened up from 31st north so that should take some traffic away from the 44/75 interchange. The new Riverside Drive features two tunnels.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2018, 09:01:24 PM »

Riverside Drive just opened up from 31st north so that should take some traffic away from the 44/75 interchange. The new Riverside Drive features two tunnels.

Four tunnels.  The drive is dual carriageway, and each of the tunnels is single carriageway.  I believe these to be the first four highway tunnels in Oklahoma.
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« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2018, 02:13:55 PM »

Two twin tunnels.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2018, 08:18:18 AM »

I believe these to be the first four highway tunnels in Oklahoma.

Newp. There's one in Shawnee.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2018, 12:04:40 AM »

I believe these to be the first four highway tunnels in Oklahoma.

Newp. There's one in Shawnee.

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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2018, 12:39:13 AM »

Thereís a single two lane tunnel under the airport.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2018, 09:27:38 AM »

What about the 23rd Street tunnels under the Oklahoma state capitol building in OKC?
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2018, 10:32:01 PM »

What about the 23rd Street tunnels under the Oklahoma state capitol building in OKC?

23rd was trenched, then short portions were covered.  I don't consider it to be a tunnel but technically?
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2018, 10:57:37 PM »

Has there ever been a bored tunnel in Oklahoma? It was my understanding that a train track somewhere in the state has a bored tunnel. But thatís all i recall.
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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2018, 11:38:35 PM »

The rail tunnel is in LeFlore County just across the Arkansas line. It goes through Backbone Mountain.

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