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Author Topic: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)  (Read 2297 times)

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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2018, 01:25:26 AM »

Oklahoma City might be big enough to support a couple of regional light rail lines, such as one line from downtown OKC to the Will Rogers Airport and then perhaps another line North-South from Edmond down thru OKC and then to Norman. Outside of that buses would be more cost effective.

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Wasn't the part north of I-40 called I-440 at one time as well?

I don't think so. From my first visits to OKC when I was a little kid in the 1970's that road was I-240.

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I really don't think that's the case, particularly in the Lawton, OKC (and it's burbs), Tulsa (and it's burbs), Bartlesville/Dewey, and McAlester/Krebs areas, and some decent intercity connections.

That depends on the type of mass transit being discussed. I think Lawton does okay with the LATS bus system. However, if I recall correctly, the bus lines do get a fair amount of grant subsidies. The system is not self sufficient. I wouldn't be surprised if Uber and Lyft are both taking a serious bite out of LATS' revenue and bus ridership.

There is no way Lawton could afford to install any rail-based system. That kind of thing is strictly for highly populated areas with a great tax base.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2018, 05:55:42 PM »

Mass transit will work in OKC if it’s done right. I don’t know about Tulsa, but I don’t see why it couldn’t. But it won’t be anything like Montreal’s or NYC. It will need to be designed around cars and park and ride lots primarily.

And that would be fine to start with, not like there's a shortage of park and ride spaces, just services stopping at them.

Either way, though, you only need a population density of 1500/sq mi to support full blown subway services with frequent intervals and long service hours.

And Tillamook has a population density that's best measured in square miles per person and a bus service.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2018, 09:02:41 PM »

In the case of I-44 in OKC, it was originally a bigger I-240 loop up past Penn Square Mall. IIRC the segment between Broadway Extension/I-235 and I-35 wasn't finished until the mid to late 1980's after the I-44 designation was applied. There was still an at-grade intersection or two along the route.

Only on maps.  I do not recall ever seeing it signed that way. 

Wasn't the part north of I-40 called I-440 at one time as well?
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2018, 01:32:53 PM »

I specifically remember seeing I-240 signs near Penn Square Mall back in 1980. I had a Great Aunt and Uncle who lived just South of Penn Square Mall close to the Penn Ave exit. My brother and I walked our dogs down to what's now the I-44/Penn exit. I remember seeing the post signs with I-240 shields mounted onto them.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2018, 02:07:06 PM »

It wouldn't work here because it is too sprawled out. There would have to be hundreds if not thousands of buses running 24/7/365 for them to be practical. The thought of light rail in Tulsa is laughable at best and ridiculous at worst. There's simply nowhere to put the tracks.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2018, 03:31:39 AM »

I think the model that would work best for OKC is to set up a line to tie together what high density nodes already exist—Campus Corner, downtown Norman, downtown OKC, Bricktown, Automobile Alley, the Paseo—with plenty of stops placed in between to try to kickstart new high-density development around them. My understanding is that is how the Washington Metro developed.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2018, 03:50:01 AM »

Yeah, a light rail system in OKC could sort of work if it had one big North-South line serving the most important stops between Edmond, downtown OKC and Norman and then an East-West line starting at Will Rogers airport, meeting the North-South line downtown somewhere and then ending out in Midwest City near Tinker AFB. But then that still leaves out the Northwest Highway corridor off NW of downtown (a pretty important area). I'm sure there's other areas that would be miffed for being left out of a commuter rail service plan. It's a catch-22 situation to announce such a plan to the public.
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Re: I-44/US-75 Interchange Reconstruction(Tulsa)
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2018, 05:50:01 AM »

Ideally, OKC needs about 5 billion to start a decent light rail network. Hopefully they skip past commuter rail for Norman and OKC and go straight to LRT.
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