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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2275 on: August 02, 2022, 12:57:32 PM »

When PennDOT renumbered to mileage-based exits, I’m pretty sure I-283 reversed the direction in which the exit numbers increased.  I believe PA 283 was exits 2W and 2E, PA 441 was Exit 1, and I-83 (in the old PennDOT manner of interstate-to-interstate junctions) was unnumbered.

The way I-283 is makes sense now, PA 283 is the southernmost exit, which is 1A and 1B.  PA 441 is Exit 2, and I-83/US 322 is 3A/3B/3C.

What was the reason that the exit numbering increased going southbound before the switch?  Is this a weird US 230 remnant or something?
I'm guessing it's because some states number exits/mileage on 3dis with the 0 point being the interchange with the parent rather than the western/southern end (see: I-581 in VA, PA 378).  PennDOT may have decided to change methodologies when they went mile-based.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2276 on: August 02, 2022, 06:12:43 PM »

I wish the PA 28 freeway and the US 6 freeway east of Scranton, and PA 581 were converted along with the other routes that were converted to mileage-based exit numbers in 2001.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2277 on: August 02, 2022, 06:17:42 PM »

I wish the PA 28 freeway and the US 6 freeway east of Scranton, and PA 581 were converted along with the other routes that were converted to mileage-based exit numbers in 2001.

This was because the MUTCD at the time only required Interstates to be renumbered if I recall correctly. So PA 28 and the others you mentioned weren’t renumbered. I don’t see PennDOT ever renumbering these freeways any time soon if ever.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2278 on: August 02, 2022, 06:38:08 PM »

I wish the PA 28 freeway and the US 6 freeway east of Scranton, and PA 581 were converted along with the other routes that were converted to mileage-based exit numbers in 2001.

This was because the MUTCD at the time only required Interstates to be renumbered if I recall correctly. So PA 28 and the others you mentioned weren’t renumbered. I don’t see PennDOT ever renumbering these freeways any time soon if ever.

For the record, I have not heard anything on any rumors about PA 28 potentially receiving an interstate designation from I-279 to Kittanning after the reconstruction of the Highland Park Interchange.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2279 on: August 02, 2022, 09:00:02 PM »

IMO PA 28 an US 6 should be converted.  PA 581 is close enough; not much point in changing 1A/B, 2, 3, 4, 5A/B, 6A/B to 1A/B, 1C, 2, 4, 5A/B, 7A/B.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2280 on: August 02, 2022, 09:07:52 PM »

I wish the PA 28 freeway and the US 6 freeway east of Scranton, and PA 581 were converted along with the other routes that were converted to mileage-based exit numbers in 2001.

This was because the MUTCD at the time only required Interstates to be renumbered if I recall correctly. So PA 28 and the others you mentioned weren’t renumbered. I don’t see PennDOT ever renumbering these freeways any time soon if ever.

The MUTCD didn't require mile-based numbers until 2009. The prior MUTCDs listed both the mile-based and sequential systems as options (however in the MUTCD they are known as "reference location" and "consecutive" respectively), it recommended distance-based but didn't require it.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2281 on: August 02, 2022, 09:31:51 PM »

When PennDOT renumbered to mileage-based exits, I’m pretty sure I-283 reversed the direction in which the exit numbers increased.  I believe PA 283 was exits 2W and 2E, PA 441 was Exit 1, and I-83 (in the old PennDOT manner of interstate-to-interstate junctions) was unnumbered.

The way I-283 is makes sense now, PA 283 is the southernmost exit, which is 1A and 1B.  PA 441 is Exit 2, and I-83/US 322 is 3A/3B/3C.

What was the reason that the exit numbering increased going southbound before the switch?  Is this a weird US 230 remnant or something?
I'm guessing it's because some states number exits/mileage on 3dis with the 0 point being the interchange with the parent rather than the western/southern end (see: I-581 in VA, PA 378).  PennDOT may have decided to change methodologies when they went mile-based.
Ah.  Yes, that makes sense.  Thanks!
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2283 on: August 04, 2022, 08:28:01 PM »

PennDOT - District 6 News: PennDOT to Begin Project to Improve Safety on I-476 Interchange, McDade Boulevard in Ridley Township

Wow, this is interesting and unexpected. That left turn from McDade Blvd East to Bullens is currently a disaster, so that added left turn lane is huge. As for the part about changing the ramp from 476 North to McDade, if it's how I've drawn it up I don't see how this is an improvement, plus it adds a signal.

Here's a link to my shoddy OneNote drawing

Lastly, for the 'auxiliary lane' between McDade and US 1, I assume that's just a variable shoulder lane right? I guess anything will help there.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2284 on: August 05, 2022, 12:22:38 PM »


Lastly, for the 'auxiliary lane' between McDade and US 1, I assume that's just a variable shoulder lane right? I guess anything will help there.

Could be like that one lane on 476 south between PA 3 and US 1.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2285 on: August 05, 2022, 05:08:39 PM »

The SB added lane bet PA 3 and US 1 is a truck/hill climbing lane.

I'm curious too what these two new NB "auxiliary lanes" will be too, "in the existing footprint".  When I hear "auxiliary lane" I picture a third lane between the exits that become Exit Only lanes.  I didn't think there was enough room on the Crum Creek bridge just north of Exit 1 to squeeze in a third lane.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2289 on: August 10, 2022, 11:32:09 AM »

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2290 on: August 10, 2022, 05:27:41 PM »

Anyone know if there is a place where traffic signal improvement plans might be posted? My township just got a grant to update signals near me and I wanted to find out more details on what they’re doing. Not sure if this type of project is posted in ECMS.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2291 on: August 10, 2022, 06:10:40 PM »

Anyone know if there is a place where traffic signal improvement plans might be posted? My township just got a grant to update signals near me and I wanted to find out more details on what they’re doing. Not sure if this type of project is posted in ECMS.

I think the ones more focused on state roads are, but probably not if it is generally township roads having signal upgrades.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2294 on: August 12, 2022, 08:20:37 PM »

Old film from the 1950s of the US 22 Easton-Phillipsburg Toll Bridge, the then-brief stretch of expressway on the west side, and the original approach and toll booth on the NJ side:
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« Reply #2295 on: August 12, 2022, 08:54:26 PM »

Old film from the 1950s of the US 22 Easton-Phillipsburg Toll Bridge, the then-brief stretch of expressway on the west side, and the original approach and toll booth on the NJ side:
Ugh.  Even in the 1980s, traffic was horrible through there. 
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2296 on: August 14, 2022, 09:36:51 PM »

Anyone know if there is a place where traffic signal improvement plans might be posted? My township just got a grant to update signals near me and I wanted to find out more details on what they’re doing. Not sure if this type of project is posted in ECMS.

I think the ones more focused on state roads are, but probably not if it is generally township roads having signal upgrades.

If it is a township project, then the plans would be accessible from the township because they need to be put out to bid.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2298 on: August 16, 2022, 08:09:18 AM »

So I found plans this morning on the CE Expert System to widen Centerville Rd (SR 4057 at the US 30 bridge, but otherwise a township road) between PA 462 and PA 23.

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The proposed project involves the reconstruction of the S.R. 4057 (U.S. 30/T-408 Centerville Road) Interchange in East Hempfield and Manor Townships, Lancaster County, including; ramp intersection reconfiguration, improvements to acceleration and deceleration lanes along U.S. 30, and replacement of the structure carrying Centerville Road over U.S. 30. The structure replacement will provide a bridge with an increased clearance to meet design criteria.
Additionally, the project involves the widening of T-408 (Centerville Road) to add thru lanes and a continuous center left turn lane from just south of PA 462 (Columbia Avenue) to just north of PA 23 (Marietta Avenue) in East Hempfield and Manor Townships. PA 23 (Marietta Avenue) will be widened, adding an additional westbound lane from Stony Battery Road to just east of T-408 (Centerville Road). The project will also include upgrades to traffic signals, pedestrian access, stormwater management systems, and guide rail, as necessary.

(For PA 321) PennDOT - District 2 News: Southbound Detour for Route 321 Has Been Lifted

(For PA 208)  PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Virtual Plans Display for Route 208 Bridge Replacement Project in Clintonville, Venango County

PennDOT - District 6 News: PennDOT Reopens Flint Hill Road Following Sinkhole Repair in Upper Merion Township

(For PA 504/US 220 ALT (Milesburg))  PennDOT - District 2 News: Traffic Delays Expected as Contractor Places Box Culvert

(For US 322)  PennDOT - District 2 News: Milling/Paving to Start This Week on Route 322 Project near Philipsburg

(For PA 5) PennDOT - District 1 News: Restriction Posted on Route 5 in Erie County

PennDOT - District 8 News: Weekend Work Scheduled on SB I-83 John Harris Memorial (South) Bridge

(I-83 at PA 74)  PennDOT - District 8 News: Nighttime Lane Restrictions Scheduled on I-83 at Route 74 (Queen Street) Bridge in York County
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #2299 on: August 16, 2022, 10:34:57 AM »

(For US 322 BUS (State College)) PennDOT - District 2 News: Work on Atherton Street Project to Resume August 22

Just in time for move-in weekends at Penn State for the fall semester . . .
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