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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #975 on: March 12, 2018, 07:06:54 PM »

Umm.. the Bayfront Connector was specifically designed to replace this viaduct. You have the same neighborhood access. even for bikes/peds, a block away. The solution here is to demolish the old bridge. It doesn't merit a story. Pure agenda.

Are there any plans to widen the Bayfront Parkway to 4 lanes divided throughout?
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #976 on: March 13, 2018, 02:09:17 PM »

I'm not sure there is that much demand for four lanes divided. And with recent developments along the waterfront abutting the roadway, it's not likely that any widening can realistically occur.

And I do agree with Steve. This article is fluff. A replacement was built literally to the immediate west and it was just a matter of time before this bridge would cease to exist - like countless others across the nation. These types of hit pieces is why I have grown distrustful of media. It's not news reporting but opinion pieces.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #977 on: March 14, 2018, 10:45:53 AM »

But... feels!
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #978 on: March 18, 2018, 08:20:20 AM »

These button copies were at the Blvd. of the Allies feeder into the Parkway East in July 2017.  Are they still there?

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4365378,-79.9738156,3a,30y,83.4h,94.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDpadbUqr9iSsok3VP4N6_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #979 on: March 19, 2018, 12:00:41 PM »

Spotted this old signage near the Lehigh Valley Airport, featuring button copy as well as an ancient, peeling PA 987 shield that likely originally sat next to an I-78 shield rather than the current, much newer "To US 22" assembly.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #980 on: March 25, 2018, 11:31:54 PM »

Spotted this old signage near the Lehigh Valley Airport, featuring button copy as well as an ancient, peeling PA 987 shield that likely originally sat next to an I-78 shield rather than the current, much newer "To US 22" assembly.
reminds me of the old PA 132 Street road sign I always see near Roosevelt Boulevard and the turnpike.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1280828,-74.9693603,3a,75y,61.27h,112.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so3q5czo66H6SAstFmqMOlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
It still says racetrack.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #981 on: March 26, 2018, 05:53:46 PM »

The state no longer owns Centralia's 'Graffiti Highway.' Who does?
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The pavement and graffiti are still there, but a section of what was state Route 61 in the Centralia area no longer belongs to the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation.

The agency this week vacated what is known as the "Graffiti Highway," most of which is in Conyngham Twp., allowing ownership to revert to adjacent property owners.

When PennDOT vacates a right-of-way, ownership of a property goes to owners of adjoining properties. In this case, that is mostly the Pitreal Corp., a subsidiary of Pagnotti Enterprises of Wilkes-Barre, Wenner said.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #982 on: March 26, 2018, 06:19:53 PM »

Hope that doesn't mean access to the old roadway will be closed off.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #983 on: March 26, 2018, 06:47:12 PM »

Accessing the old road was considered tresspassing:
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PennDOT, concerned about safety because of large cracks in the surface caused by the fire, posted no trespass signs. When they were ignored, state police last year began issuing citations and warnings.
Now it is up to the owners of the land to decide. 
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With the change in ownership, state police will no longer issue citations and warnings for trespassing, unless that's sought by the new owners, PennDOT said.
With the danger of cracks and possible collapses it would be legally foolish to allow access to the old highway.  There would probably not need to be enforcement of the no trespassing since the owner would probably not be liable if someone was injured while trespassing on the land.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #984 on: March 26, 2018, 10:27:13 PM »

Eh, it's been an overblown tourist trap for years. The entire roadway isn't dangerous and is practically covered in graffiti, hence the nickname. The cracks in the roadway are decades old at this point and are no longer smoking. The underground fire has moved considerably far away and I'm not sure how much of it is burning anymore. The smoke that used to be so evident over the area is barely even noticeable anymore.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #985 on: March 26, 2018, 10:39:18 PM »

Eh, it's been an overblown tourist trap for years. The entire roadway isn't dangerous and is practically covered in graffiti, hence the nickname. The cracks in the roadway are decades old at this point and are no longer smoking. The underground fire has moved considerably far away and I'm not sure how much of it is burning anymore. The smoke that used to be so evident over the area is barely even noticeable anymore.

Cheapest tourist trap ever. Where's the gift shop??
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #986 on: March 26, 2018, 10:39:52 PM »

Look down in the crack hard enough and you'll find out :D
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #987 on: March 27, 2018, 12:32:10 AM »

Eh, it's been an overblown tourist trap for years. The entire roadway isn't dangerous and is practically covered in graffiti, hence the nickname. The cracks in the roadway are decades old at this point and are no longer smoking. The underground fire has moved considerably far away and I'm not sure how much of it is burning anymore. The smoke that used to be so evident over the area is barely even noticeable anymore.
There are wisps of smoke, but yeah, it's moved on. In 20 years Ashland may need to relocate back up to Centralia.

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #988 on: March 27, 2018, 06:05:09 AM »

Last time I was in Centralia - 5 years ago or so - I was amazed at how much of a forest it had became.  Unlike my first trip many years prior, there were no noticeable scents and smells.  It was like driving thru an eerie landscape of a city-like street grid system with barely any houses, cars or anything else.  The streets were narrowed a bit by the new brush.  Some were completely undriveable. The few homeowners that remained had nice lush lawns.  The fire has clearly moved on, and left in its wake an abandoned land that nature quickly reclaimed.

Anytime someone sees a story about Centralia today is being told that via an author that is taking pictures and descriptions of Centralia from 20 or 25 years ago, and who hasn't set foot out of their bedroom, much less actually visit the place on their own. 
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #990 on: April 14, 2018, 11:34:39 PM »

oh no
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #991 on: April 14, 2018, 11:49:14 PM »

oh no

Oh yes. Mother Nature has decided you're no longer deserving of US-30. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #992 on: April 15, 2018, 04:44:09 AM »

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the "hills" in the Pittsburgh area aren't actually hills. They're escarpments, which are much steeper and more unstable geologically. Landslides are a major problem in the Pittsburgh area because of them.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #993 on: April 15, 2018, 08:07:05 AM »

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the "hills" in the Pittsburgh area aren't actually hills. They're escarpments, which are much steeper and more unstable geologically. Landslides are a major problem in the Pittsburgh area because of them.

IOW the PGH area has the North and South Escarpments, not Hills. :) As for landslides, I remember hearing about them in the wake of winter snow and rain storms this past winter, via KDKA, which I can get in my car during the winter in the region where I live, due in part to my evening commuting schedule most nights.

How frequent are Pittsburgh area landslides?  And are they a common occurrence in, say, West Virginia or anyplace else east of the Great Plains?

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #994 on: April 15, 2018, 08:10:08 AM »

oh no

Oh yes. Mother Nature has decided you're no longer deserving of US-30. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.

What's the over/under on days/weeks/months before http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html is updated to mention this near tragedy?  That page was last updated on 11.27.2015.

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #995 on: April 15, 2018, 11:32:45 AM »

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the "hills" in the Pittsburgh area aren't actually hills. They're escarpments, which are much steeper and more unstable geologically. Landslides are a major problem in the Pittsburgh area because of them.

IOW the PGH area has the North and South Escarpments, not Hills. :) As for landslides, I remember hearing about them in the wake of winter snow and rain storms this past winter, via KDKA, which I can get in my car during the winter in the region where I live, due in part to my evening commuting schedule most nights.

How frequent are Pittsburgh area landslides?  And are they a common occurrence in, say, West Virginia or anyplace else east of the Great Plains?

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The US 30 case is much larger than normal, but slips are very common in terrain like what is found in WV or most of PA. If you get soil on a steep enough grade wet enough, it's going to want to slide.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #996 on: April 15, 2018, 11:37:04 AM »

oh no
Oh yes. Mother Nature has decided you're no longer deserving of US-30. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
What's the over/under on days/weeks/months before http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html is updated to mention this near tragedy?  That page was last updated on 11.27.2015.

My god, that is a webpage straight out of the late 90s. I'm surprised that its last update was only 2˝ years ago.
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« Reply #997 on: April 16, 2018, 04:05:07 AM »

What a lot of people don't realize is that many of the "hills" in the Pittsburgh area aren't actually hills. They're escarpments, which are much steeper and more unstable geologically. Landslides are a major problem in the Pittsburgh area because of them.

IOW the PGH area has the North and South Escarpments, not Hills. :) As for landslides, I remember hearing about them in the wake of winter snow and rain storms this past winter, via KDKA, which I can get in my car during the winter in the region where I live, due in part to my evening commuting schedule most nights.

How frequent are Pittsburgh area landslides?  And are they a common occurrence in, say, West Virginia or anyplace else east of the Great Plains?

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They're frequent enough to be a pain in the ass. It seems like a major non-Interstate highway gets buried by them every five years or so. When I was looking up the various landslides on PA 28 over the years, these were the search results I got. To get another idea, here's a look at PA 28 passing near the Allegheny River in Harmar Township. What makes the U.S. 30 landslide different is that the land fell out from under it, and the highway collapsed. That doesn't seem to happen as often as a landslide coming down on top of a highway.

I imagine that the worst-case scenario in the Pittsburgh area would be if there was a landslide that collapses the Boulevard of the Allies down onto I-376 east of downtown Pittsburgh. Getting into Pittsburgh from the east would only be possible via PA 28 or various surface streets like Penn Avenue, Liberty Avenue, Bigelow Boulevard, Fifth Avenue and Forbes Avenue. I would say that a landslide over the Fort Pitt Tunnel on the Fort Pitt Bridge side would be even worse, but the tunnel appears to protrude on that side, so it seems less susceptible.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #998 on: April 16, 2018, 06:19:05 AM »

oh no
Oh yes. Mother Nature has decided you're no longer deserving of US-30. Now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done.
What's the over/under on days/weeks/months before http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html is updated to mention this near tragedy?  That page was last updated on 11.27.2015.

My god, that is a webpage straight out of the late 90s. I'm surprised that its last update was only 2˝ years ago.

Many webpages like that were started well before Facebook existed; well before this forum existed.  They are home-grown pages, done by dedicated people with their own time and money.

You want flashy, splashy and updated daily?  Build your own website.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #999 on: April 16, 2018, 07:00:42 AM »

What's the over/under on days/weeks/months before http://www.pahighways.com/us/US30.html is updated to mention this near tragedy?  That page was last updated on 11.27.2015.
My god, that is a webpage straight out of the late 90s. I'm surprised that its last update was only 2˝ years ago.
Many webpages like that were started well before Facebook existed; well before this forum existed.  They are home-grown pages, done by dedicated people with their own time and money.

You want flashy, splashy and updated daily?  Build your own website.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it whatsoever. It was more just a simple observation than anything else—I know that maintaining a good-looking website is difficult. ;-)
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