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74/171FAN

#2175
June 06, 2022, 03:12:26 PM  
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74/171FAN

#2176
June 07, 2022, 10:54:31 AM   Last Edit: June 07, 2022, 04:05:59 PM by 74/171FAN
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74/171FAN

#2177
June 08, 2022, 08:48:18 AM   Last Edit: June 08, 2022, 12:31:56 PM by 74/171FAN
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TheGrassGuy

#2178
June 08, 2022, 11:08:23 PM  
During the period between the construction of the Southern Tier Expressway and the federal designation of I-86, were there two PA 17s in PA?
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MATraveler128

#2179
June 09, 2022, 07:07:24 AM  
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on June 08, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
During the period between the construction of the Southern Tier Expressway and the federal designation of I-86, were there two PA 17s in PA?

Yes there were indeed two PA 17s. The existing one has been in use since 1928 while the one along I-86 was decommissioned in 1999 when I-86 was designated. It is similar to the existing case of there being two PA 29s and two US 422s. PennDOT doesn't seem to have an issue with duplicate numbers however, the state route duplicates are given a different secret route number. Although the former PA 295 was renumbered to PA 297 when I-295 was extended into the state.
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Bitmapped

#2180
June 09, 2022, 08:36:31 AM  
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on June 09, 2022, 07:07:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on June 08, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
During the period between the construction of the Southern Tier Expressway and the federal designation of I-86, were there two PA 17s in PA?

Yes there were indeed two PA 17s. The existing one has been in use since 1928 while the one along I-86 was decommissioned in 1999 when I-86 was designated. It is similar to the existing case of there being two PA 29s and two US 422s. PennDOT doesn't seem to have an issue with duplicate numbers however, the state route duplicates are given a different secret route number. Although the former PA 295 was renumbered to PA 297 when I-295 was extended into the state.

The extension of I-86 led to two Route 86s in Pennsylvania. PennDOT's solution to that was to change PA 86's internal designation to SR 0886, but it is still signed as PA 86 in the field.

famartin

#2181
June 09, 2022, 10:35:53 AM  
Quote from: Bitmapped on June 09, 2022, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on June 09, 2022, 07:07:24 AM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on June 08, 2022, 11:08:23 PM
During the period between the construction of the Southern Tier Expressway and the federal designation of I-86, were there two PA 17s in PA?

Yes there were indeed two PA 17s. The existing one has been in use since 1928 while the one along I-86 was decommissioned in 1999 when I-86 was designated. It is similar to the existing case of there being two PA 29s and two US 422s. PennDOT doesn't seem to have an issue with duplicate numbers however, the state route duplicates are given a different secret route number. Although the former PA 295 was renumbered to PA 297 when I-295 was extended into the state.

The extension of I-86 led to two Route 86s in Pennsylvania. PennDOT's solution to that was to change PA 86's internal designation to SR 0886, but it is still signed as PA 86 in the field.

Not only that, but the two 86's are only 26 miles apart.

74/171FAN

#2182
June 09, 2022, 09:56:44 PM  
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74/171FAN

#2184
June 13, 2022, 04:36:35 PM  
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74/171FAN

#2185
June 14, 2022, 11:19:13 AM  
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74/171FAN

#2186
June 15, 2022, 08:15:19 AM   Last Edit: June 15, 2022, 07:40:01 PM by 74/171FAN
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MASTERNC

#2189
June 23, 2022, 03:03:32 PM  
Local traffic report mentioned PA 320 off I-76 near Gulph Mills is finally open.  No press release from District 6 though.

jemacedo9

#2190
June 23, 2022, 04:57:58 PM  
Quote from: MASTERNC on June 23, 2022, 03:03:32 PM
Local traffic report mentioned PA 320 off I-76 near Gulph Mills is finally open.  No press release from District 6 though.

Press release eventually came out:
https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-6/pages/details.aspx?newsid=7610

J N Winkler

#2191
June 24, 2022, 12:40:51 AM  
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 16, 2022, 09:22:47 AM(For US 219)  PennDOT - District 9 News: Public Meeting and Plans Display for the US 219 Meyersdale, PA to Old Salisbury Road, MD

The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat has initial coverage of this public meeting:

Curious, concerned property owners weigh in on proposed US 219 paths

I have been following this project with interest since the proposed alignments run east of Salisbury, in a part of Elk Lick Township where my Scottish second great-grandparents farmed from the early 1880's to 1916.  I don't know precisely where their farm was (we have pictures of the farmhouse, but most of the people who would have known how to get to it are now dead), and it doesn't look like there are buildings in any of the potential land take envelopes.  Nevertheless, there's certainly the strong possibility of farmland--including my ancestors'--becoming highway ROW.
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74/171FAN

#2193
June 24, 2022, 07:24:56 PM  
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74/171FAN

#2194
June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM  
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.
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Crown Victoria

#2195
June 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM  
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use mile markers for US 322 (especially if the end goal is to place them all the way to Potters Mills and eventually to State College)?

Ordinarily US 22 takes precedence along the concurrency, but the majority of the long-distance traffic on that freeway is using US 322 to/from Centre County and beyond.

If US 22 mile markers are used east of Lewistown and US 322 used its own west of there, travelers following US 322 would see the mile markers repeat for about 25 miles or so in either direction, which could cause confusion.

famartin

#2196
June 25, 2022, 09:11:50 AM  
Quote from: Crown Victoria on June 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use mile markers for US 322 (especially if the end goal is to place them all the way to Potters Mills and eventually to State College)?

Ordinarily US 22 takes precedence along the concurrency, but the majority of the long-distance traffic on that freeway is using US 322 to/from Centre County and beyond.

If US 22 mile markers are used east of Lewistown and US 322 used its own west of there, travelers following US 322 would see the mile markers repeat for about 25 miles or so in either direction, which could cause confusion.

Fair, but if used by current standards (including the US 22 shield on the MM), that should lessen the problem.

cl94

#2197
June 25, 2022, 09:31:50 PM  
Quote from: Crown Victoria on June 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use mile markers for US 322 (especially if the end goal is to place them all the way to Potters Mills and eventually to State College)?

Ordinarily US 22 takes precedence along the concurrency, but the majority of the long-distance traffic on that freeway is using US 322 to/from Centre County and beyond.

If US 22 mile markers are used east of Lewistown and US 322 used its own west of there, travelers following US 322 would see the mile markers repeat for about 25 miles or so in either direction, which could cause confusion.

There's also the little issue of ADHS corridors here. Corridor M follows 22, not 322, and the corridor takes precedence for some things. Allegedly, 22 will eventually be 4-laned between Duncansville and Lewistown, which would make that the preferred long-distance route to Pittsburgh.
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Crown Victoria

#2198
June 25, 2022, 11:27:07 PM  
Quote from: cl94 on June 25, 2022, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on June 25, 2022, 08:50:16 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.

Wouldn't it make more sense to use mile markers for US 322 (especially if the end goal is to place them all the way to Potters Mills and eventually to State College)?

Ordinarily US 22 takes precedence along the concurrency, but the majority of the long-distance traffic on that freeway is using US 322 to/from Centre County and beyond.

If US 22 mile markers are used east of Lewistown and US 322 used its own west of there, travelers following US 322 would see the mile markers repeat for about 25 miles or so in either direction, which could cause confusion.

There's also the little issue of ADHS corridors here. Corridor M follows 22, not 322, and the corridor takes precedence for some things. Allegedly, 22 will eventually be 4-laned between Duncansville and Lewistown, which would make that the preferred long-distance route to Pittsburgh.

Cost considerations aside, the best route from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh would still be the PA Turnpike, even with a fully 4-laned US 22. Indeed, even from Lewistown, the quickest route to Pittsburgh (at least currently) involves using US 322 to I-99 to US 22.

Also, PA doesn't put mile markers on non-freeways, unless you count the little white signs as such.

As far as Corridor M, most of the general public is probably unaware of US 22's status as such.

Taking all of this into account, I still think the Harrisburg-State College freeway corridor is best signed with US 322 mile markers. In the end, though, any mile markers, whether for US 22 or US 322, are helpful.

74/171FAN

#2199
June 28, 2022, 08:15:38 AM  
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 25, 2022, 07:14:21 AM
As a note, as of Wednesday night, mile markers have been placed for US 22 along US 22/US 322 from PA 34 near Newport (I do not think I saw any west of here.) to I-81.  The numbers also seemed to have been corrected from the previous erroneous ones near I-81.

I drove through here again last night and can clarify that they went as far west as PA 17.  It must have been a District 8 thing so it would make sense to end them at the Juniata-Perry County line.
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