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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 07:04:16 PM »

I-84 has a gravel service road around mp 26 in the gorge.

(1)  Where, exactly?  I'm looking in that MP range and don't see it.

(2)  How does a gravel service road violate Interstate standards?
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 07:07:09 PM »

Fairly certain we've had multiple threads on this subject.

This one might be the most relevant:  What is the most substandard interstate?
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 11:52:53 PM »

I-97 in Maryland for being the shortest 2di.
No matter how long or short it might be, or how many you may want renumbered, there will always be a 2di that is the shortest 2di.   :poke:

Back on topic, adding I-70 at Wheeling WV (two lane tunnel).
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2019, 12:01:55 AM »

I-78 in New Jersey.  In Jersey City it becomes two surface streets. 12th Street EB from Jersey Avenue to the Holland Tunnel.  Then Boyle Plaza WB from the tunnel exit to the viaduct beginning at Jersey Avenue.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2019, 10:26:47 AM »

I-376 through Pittsburgh, because it now intersects its parent twice, both east and (north)west of it. And also, for the same reasons as below...

I-76 thru Philly in numerous ways. Low bridge heights, lack of shoulders, & 1 lane at one point on 76 EB where the Schuylkill Expressway becomes the Walt Whitman Expressway are 3 examples.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2019, 12:39:33 PM »

I-93 through Franconia Notch in NH. Two lanes and narrow shoulders.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2019, 05:23:36 PM »

Any Interstate within New York City limits. Narrow lanes and narrow shoulders and suicide entrance ramps.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2019, 05:52:13 PM »

Interstate 68 in Cumberland, Maryland gets my goat. But I don't suppose there's much that can be done about it.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2019, 09:09:10 PM »

I-93 through Franconia Notch in NH. Two lanes and narrow shoulders.
That was originally to preserve a rock formation next to the highway. The rocks collapsed in like 2003, so I'm kinda surprised they haven't done anything about that yet.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2019, 09:23:48 PM »

I-93 through Franconia Notch in NH. Two lanes and narrow shoulders.
That was originally to preserve a rock formation next to the highway. The rocks collapsed in like 2003, so I'm kinda surprised they haven't done anything about that yet.
It wasn't just any old rock formation, but The Old Man of the Mountain.  I believe the parkway also passes through a state park.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2019, 10:13:13 PM »

All the freezing and thawing created cracks that thing was first noticed in 1805 so who knows how or when it was formed it's known that it collapsed in 2003 though.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2019, 01:39:58 AM »

Interstate 68 in Cumberland, Maryland gets my goat. But I don't suppose there's much that can be done about it.
Easy fix take the surface routes.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2019, 08:26:16 AM »

Interstate 68 in Cumberland, Maryland gets my goat. But I don't suppose there's much that can be done about it.
Easy fix take the surface routes.
Ha!

I don't understand the I-68 hate.  My father found it to be a great alternative to the Penna Turnpike, especially after he insisted on taking US 40 through the hairpin curve before Sideling Hill was cut!
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2019, 08:48:09 AM »

Interstate 68 in Cumberland, Maryland gets my goat. But I don't suppose there's much that can be done about it.
Easy fix take the surface routes.
Ha!
I don't understand the I-68 hate.  My father found it to be a great alternative to the Penna Turnpike, especially after he insisted on taking US 40 through the hairpin curve before Sideling Hill was cut!

I-68 has been discussed as long as I have been on roads and highways online forums (1997), and favorable comments have in the vast majority.  The old US-40 bypass in Cumberland is substandard and ought to be upgraded or bypass.  The rest of it is very impressive.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2019, 10:08:50 AM »

I wonder how not-up-to-standard I-69E between Kingsville and Harlingen will be with all that King Ranch acreage, as US 77 gets upgraded.

For that stretch, make sure the shoulders are correct and treat it like I-10.

Frankly, I would have signed it already.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2019, 10:53:46 AM »

I-93 through Franconia Notch in NH. Two lanes and narrow shoulders.
That was originally to preserve a rock formation next to the highway. The rocks collapsed in like 2003, so I'm kinda surprised they haven't done anything about that yet.
It wasn't just any old rock formation, but The Old Man of the Mountain.  I believe the parkway also passes through a state park.

That is correct...Franconia Notch State Park.

Nor is there a traffic need to "do anything about it", as has often been discussed on this forum and elsewhere.  Traffic is not an issue.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2019, 05:18:16 PM »

I-97 in Maryland for being the shortest 2di.



Which doesn't as much violate technical Interstate standards as roadgeek sensibilities.  What's interesting about I-97 is that its original configuration also included all of unsigned I-595 deployed over US 50 between I-495 and the I-97 junction; the route was meant to be a sideways "V" shaped route with the intent of connecting Annapolis and its Naval facilities to both Washington and Baltimore.  Later, the southern (I-595) portion was to be the original iteration of I-68 before the hidden I-595 designation was applied.  If that were to be signed as per its original format, I'm sure there would be a bit fewer objections about I-97's overall length -- but at the expense of new ones about its shape!  Nevertheless, all of I-97, current and original, meets Interstate construction standards.   
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2019, 09:09:33 PM »

Which doesn't as much violate technical Interstate standards as roadgeek sensibilities.  What's interesting about I-97 is that its original configuration also included all of unsigned I-595 deployed over US 50 between I-495 and the I-97 junction; the route was meant to be a sideways "V" shaped route with the intent of connecting Annapolis and its Naval facilities to both Washington and Baltimore.  Later, the southern (I-595) portion was to be the original iteration of I-68 before the hidden I-595 designation was applied.  If that were to be signed as per its original format, I'm sure there would be a bit fewer objections about I-97's overall length -- but at the expense of new ones about its shape!  Nevertheless, all of I-97, current and original, meets Interstate construction standards.   

Correct.  And technically it doesn't violate route numbering standards, because even as short as it is, it connects the state's largest metro (2.5 million) which also has a world port, with the state capital.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2019, 12:27:05 AM »

I-82 violates numbering standards as well as the SB bridge over the Columbia being 11 foot lanes and no shoulder (not confident about the 11 foot lanes).

I-84 has a gravel service road around mp 26 in the gorge.

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Speaking of that I-82 bridge over the Columbia, is there an ETA for having that project done?
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #44 on: March 28, 2019, 02:14:28 AM »

Has anyone mentioned I-78 on either side of the Holland Tunnel?
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2019, 03:46:33 AM »

I-69 in Kentucky could count as being substandard.

i think every parkway being signed as interstate in kentucky qualifies.  first they have to fix several exits that were toll plazas, then they have to work on the median, or that thing that technically qualifies as a median.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2019, 10:15:28 AM »

Has anyone mentioned I-78 on either side of the Holland Tunnel?

Definitely:

I-78 in New Jersey.  In Jersey City it becomes two surface streets. 12th Street EB from Jersey Avenue to the Holland Tunnel.  Then Boyle Plaza WB from the tunnel exit to the viaduct beginning at Jersey Avenue.
Any Interstate within New York City limits. Narrow lanes and narrow shoulders and suicide entrance ramps.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2019, 10:18:43 AM »

Is I-44 in Oklahoma a violation of the rule that new Interstates cannot be toll roads, or was it grandfathered?
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2019, 10:23:25 AM »

Is I-44 in Oklahoma a violation of the rule that new Interstates cannot be toll roads, or was it grandfathered?

It was applied to the Turner and Will Rogers Turnpikes in the 1960s, and then extended down to the Bailey Turnpike in the 1980s. So probably both.
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Re: Interstates that violate Interstate Highway Standards
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2019, 11:36:02 AM »

Is I-44 in Oklahoma a violation of the rule that new Interstates cannot be toll roads, or was it grandfathered?

It was applied to the Turner and Will Rogers Turnpikes in the 1960s, and then extended down to the Bailey Turnpike in the 1980s. So probably both.
Similar happened w/portions of I-95 in both DE & MD (Delaware Turnpike & JFK Memorial Highway respectively).  Even though such were designated as part of the Interstate System from day one (other, older tolled facilities were grandfathered in); such were constructed as toll roads as a financial means of getting such built sooner rather than later.
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