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Highways that aren’t signed from junctions but have reassure signage on Route

Started by Max Rockatansky, September 30, 2019, 10:36:53 PM

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Max Rockatansky

Recently I've been encountering numerous State Highways in California which aren't signed from junctions with other State Highways yet have reassurance shields on the actual route.  Some examples that come to mind are:

-  CA 189 which has shields on Route but not from the junctions at CA 18 nor CA 173.
-  CA 153 which has one reassurance shield on Route but no signed junction at CA 49.
-  CA 77 which has several reassurance shields but none from I-880. 

What are some other examples of this phenomenon in other states?  With California there are several additional examples which I attribute to Caltrans moving towards de emphasizing surface highways. 


wanderer2575

In Detroit, the former eastern terminus of M-5 at I-96 (exit 185) has never been signed on I-96.  Also, extension of the M-5 designation into downtown was signed in 2016 but most freeway signage at junctions doesn't yet indicate it (I-96 exits 185 and 187, I-94 exit 214, and I-75 exit 50).  The M-10 Lodge Freeway (exit 2C) is an exception because freeway signage for the M-5 exit was replaced a couple years ago as part of a bridge replacement project.

M-311 in Calhoun County suffered this fate at both termini when the route was finally signed in 2009.  At its north end, it wasn't signed on M-96 or I-94 until signage was replaced along those routes a few years ago.  At its south end in Burlington, it hasn't been signed on M-60 to this day, and probably won't be until M-60 signage is replaced.

roadman65

FL 37 from US 98 and FL 548.  It has a reassurance marker south of where US 98 leaves Florida Avenue for George Jenkins Blvd. but no mention on FL 548 (George Jenkins Blvd.) and from 98 itself (although a TO FL 37 shield south of US 92 Junction). 

However, this may be because FL 37 is not present there as since US 98 Business got decommissioned the FL 37 designation never took over the former US route loop to continue to US 98 and FL 548 and dangles in Downtown Lakeland at the place it always ended when US 98 Business was a route.
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ilpt4u

I was thinking the Milwaukee St exit off I-794 in Milwaukee...Milwaukee St is WI 32 and is Shielded as such on the Surface Street...but no Route Marker on the exit BGS

MNHighwayMan

Access to MN-5 isn't signed on I-94 or I-35E in Saint Paul, even though there is at least one direct exit to 5 (exit 242C on I-94). Similarly, US-61 is not mentioned at I-94 exit 243 eastbound, even though Mounds Blvd is signed as US-61. (It is signed westbound, since that's where US-61's concurrency with I-94 leaves the freeway.)

Max Rockatansky

Two more from California I thought of:

-  CA 130 isn't signed from US 101 south but is briefly on US 101 on an exit mileage sign. 
-  CA 43 isn't signed from CA 99 north for some reason but is from CA 99 south.

Eth

GA 54 from I-75/85 exit 244 (University Ave). No mention at all of the route from the freeway; it isn't signed very well on University, but there are a couple of signs out there. Also US 19 (14th Street) isn't on signs on I-75/85 at exit 250 (being found instead erroneously a couple exits further south if traveling northbound), but is signed on the street.

PHLBOS

In Philadelphia, PA 3 is not signed at all on any interchange signage along I-76 (or I-676 for that matter).  One doesn't start to see PA 3 trailblazer/reassurance signs until the exit ramps end at the surrounding streets at Amtrak's 30th St. Station.

These are the only BGS-style signs (mid-to-late 80s vintage) in the vicinity that have PA 3 shields on them.
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webny99

Very common in the Rochester area.  Not so much at the junction of 2 state routes (those usually have a sign salad at the intersection), but local/county roads often lack shields and the accompanying arrows for whatever state routes they cross.

kphoger

Isn't this fairly common for county highways?  I believe some states tend to sign junctions for them by local name rather than route number.

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TheStranger

The short Route 112 has had at least 1 or two signs along the route itself, but not along the signage for the Davis Street exit from I-880 in San Leandro.

Can someone confirm if Route 47 is signed along Alameda Street south of Route 91?  47 is signed from its junctions with I-110, I-710, and Route 103, but not sure if signed at the junction with Route 1.  Definitely not signed off of I-405.

Route 170 when it ran down Highland Avenue in Hollywood had 2 or 3 trailblazers back in 2010, but no acknowledgment at all from US 101/Hollywood Freeway.

I don't know how well the now-relinquished portion of Route 84 in the city of West Sacramento was ever signed, but neither US 50/(Business 80) at Jefferson Boulevard or I-80 at Reed Avenue ever had mention of the route.

Almost but not quite: the John Street exit for US 101 in Salinas has no mention of Route 68 on the overhead gantries, but does have a few standalone shields nearby IIRC.

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US 89

Quote from: Eth on October 01, 2019, 11:28:40 AM
GA 54 from I-75/85 exit 244 (University Ave). No mention at all of the route from the freeway; it isn't signed very well on University, but there are a couple of signs out there. Also US 19 (14th Street) isn't on signs on I-75/85 at exit 250 (being found instead erroneously a couple exits further south if traveling northbound), but is signed on the street.

Georgia isn't great with US route signage in downtown Atlanta. There are lots of erroneous US highway markings, several instances of unmarked US routes, and route markings that should really have a TO in front of them.

For example, the eastbound McDaniel St exit from I-20 shows US 19 and US 29 (without a TO prefix). McDaniel isn't a numbered route, but if you go north a few blocks you'll hit those two routes...which are also concurrent with US 41. Another example happens on southbound I-75/85 at the North Ave exit, which only shows US 78/278 despite also being US 29.


Rothman

Quote from: PHLBOS on October 01, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
In Philadelphia, PA 3 is not signed at all on any interchange signage along I-76 (or I-676 for that matter).  One doesn't start to see PA 3 trailblazer/reassurance signs until the exit ramps end at the surrounding streets at Amtrak's 30th St. Station.

These are the only BGS-style signs (mid-to-late 80s vintage) in the vicinity that have PA 3 shields on them.
Yeah, I was thinking PA would be a good place to look for this.
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vdeane

Judging by the street view, NY 5 and NY 354 where they meet.  Neither route is signed from the other, but Buffalo does post sporadic reassurance shields, enough to at least verify the routing of NY 354.
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TheHighwayMan3561

US 61 isn't signed where it leaves I-55 at the I-555/US 63 exit in Arkansas.

DJ Particle

This is common among the smaller state highways and county highways in MN

Exit 11 on I-35W North feeds directly into MN-121, but the BGS doesn't say so.

Many county highways aren't listed on BGSs...like Hennepin-3 (Lake St), Hennepin-152 (Cedar Ave, Dowling Ave), Hennepin-23 (Lyndale Ave), and more.

Strangely enough though, when MN-122 existed from Stadium Village of the U of M to the Metrodome, the junctions with it off I-35W and MN-55 *did* mention MN-122.  Once the former-freeway-now-expressway was turned back to the county as Hennepin-122, the route number was no longer signed on the exits leading to it.

CNGL-Leudimin

I'm pretty sure there are one or two exits along I-80 in Iowa where US 6 joins/leaves the Interstate and isn't signed.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 01, 2019, 11:16:01 PM
US 61 isn't signed where it leaves I-55 at the I-555 exit in Arkansas.

FTFY. US 63 was realigned at the Spring AASHTO meeting, and no longer goes through that interchange.
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MNHighwayMan

Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:57:23 AM
I'm pretty sure there are one or two exits along I-80 in Iowa where US 6 joins/leaves the Interstate and isn't signed.

Nope. They are signed on the Interstate. Signs are lacking at a couple interchanges where the ramps meet the road, though. The IA-38/US-6 interchange is one that comes to mind–if you're trying to follow US-6, as I was, you just had to guess that west US-6 is a left turn there!

froggie

Quote from: MNHighwayManAccess to MN-5 isn't signed on I-94 or I-35E in Saint Paul, even though there is at least one direct exit to 5 (exit 242C on I-94).

On a similar vein, CSAH 5 isn't signed at the I-494/Minnetonka Blvd exit in order to reduce confusion with MN 5.

Quote from: DJ ParticleExit 11 on I-35W North feeds directly into MN-121, but the BGS doesn't say so.

I'm thinking this is because MN 121 has been a perennial turnback candidate, only waiting for agreement between the city, county, and MnDOT as to how to rebuild it up to 56th St.

QuoteStrangely enough though, when MN-122 existed from Stadium Village of the U of M to the Metrodome, the junctions with it off I-35W and MN-55 *did* mention MN-122.  Once the former-freeway-now-expressway was turned back to the county as Hennepin-122, the route number was no longer signed on the exits leading to it.

That is the current case.  But I distinctly recall there being CSAH 122 shields on the guide signs for at least the first few years after turnback.  Then later there was a blank space where the shields were until the guide signs were replaced as part of a normal cycle update.  Nowadays, one could argue they don't include it because they're trying to de-emphasize Washington Ave as a through route since all non-bus traffic must exit by the art museum.

PHLBOS

Quote from: DJ Particle on October 02, 2019, 02:38:30 AMThis is common among the smaller state highways and county highways in MN
In many, but not all NJ counties, CR 600-700 routes hardly appear on any BGS' or LGS'.  Such are strictly trailblazers or reassurance signs.

Speaking of NJ; NJ Turnpike signage for Exit 5 (CR 541) does not have any CR 541 shields at all.  The first sign showing a CR 541 shield one sees after exiting the Turnpike is this streetblade sign on a traffic signal mastarm.
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DandyDan

Every highway junction in Omaha that doesn't involve an Interstate is like this. It's not like anyone cares about the highway designations there.
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kphoger

Quote from: DandyDan on October 02, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
Every highway junction in Omaha that doesn't involve an Interstate is like this. It's not like anyone cares about the highway designations there.

Wow, I see what you mean.  Sometimes there aren't ever reassurance signs either.  But US-75 does sign both NE-64 and US-275 on its exit signs.

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TheHighwayMan3561

What about when a redundant route is omitted? On US 52 near Hampton, MN at the MN 50/56 interchange, 56 isn't mentioned in any capacity on northbound US 52 because it would largely just take you back the way you came from.

DJ Particle

Quote from: froggie on October 02, 2019, 08:30:00 AMThat is the current case.  But I distinctly recall there being CSAH 122 shields on the guide signs for at least the first few years after turnback.  Then later there was a blank space where the shields were until the guide signs were replaced as part of a normal cycle update.  Nowadays, one could argue they don't include it because they're trying to de-emphasize Washington Ave as a through route since all non-bus traffic must exit by the art museum.
The MN-122 signs stayed up until around 2000 or 2001 IIRC.  At the time I moved here in 1998, they were still on the BGSs on I-35W and MN-55, they were still on the signs at the ramps at Cedar Ave, and there was still one "END [122]" sign just west of I-35W.

CSAH-122 has never been signed at all.  Eastbound is simply signed as "To Washington Ave NE" and Westbound is signed as "To 3rd St S"

[EDIT:  CSAH-122 was noted on orange construction signage when that corridor was under construction for the Light Rail...forgot about that.  But other than that, there isn't and has never been any CSAH-122 signage.]

zzcarp

CDOT (Colorado) loves to do this garbage. US 40 through Mount Vernon Canyon to Floyd Hill intersects I-70 at nearly every exit, including joining it from Genessee to Evergreen, yet is is not signed on mainline I-70 exits after Golden. It is fairly well-signed along its route and at the top of the ramps.

Same with US 6 from Minturn to Eagle and other places east of Grand Junction. CDOT nearly never signs US 6 from I-70, just along the main route.
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