Minor things that bother you

[Plutonic Panda]

For the sake of legacy stewardship, here is the contradiction:

Calling a navigation system a "GPS".
It is NOT a Global Positioning Satellite.

People who don't know what GPS actually stands for and will probably die on that hill claiming they do.

In case you missed the joke: GPS actually stands for global positioning system. Everyone point and laugh at Beltwanker.

True that GPS means Global Positioning System. False that this contradicts anything I said.

I wish I could be like you and never make a mistake.

Kanye west

For the sake of legacy stewardship, here is the contradiction:

Calling a navigation system a "GPS".
It is NOT a Global Positioning Satellite.

People who don't know what GPS actually stands for and will probably die on that hill claiming they do.

In case you missed the joke: GPS actually stands for global positioning system. Everyone point and laugh at Beltwanker.

True that GPS means Global Positioning System. False that this contradicts anything I said.

I wish I could be like you and never make a mistake.

Kanye wants once said he wishes he could see himself perform at his own concert. I feel like you and him would get along.

Does Beltway have Gold Digger issues?

once said he wishes he could see himself perform at his own concert. I feel like you and him would get along.

Does Beltway have Gold Digger issues?

It's pretty funny that a guy who made that song in specifically had a verse "holla we want prenup" " it's something that you need to have because when she leave your ass, she gonna leave with half"

And then he marries a Kardashian with no prenup. I think that's partial proof of the simulation theory?

[Max Rockatansky]

I just wonder if dude likes Fish Sticks?

[Plutonic Panda]

I just wonder if dude likes Fish Sticks?

Now that is a very good question. And why do I have a sneaking suspicion that he has a very strong opinion about them?

[Max Rockatansky]

I just wonder if dude likes Fish Sticks?

Now that is a very good question. And why do I have a sneaking suspicion that he has a very strong opinion about them?

Considering how out of hand argument with Carlos Mencia got about the subject I'm going say his opinions are very strong.

[Scott5114]

Hey, at least it isn't "self-delete". A few people have started using terms like this on this forum because they don't realize there's no censor here.

I don't want the forum potentially blacklisted from search engines.

Any search engine that would blacklist us for that is a search engine we don't need to be found on.

My point is just that English doesn't transliterate foreign names in a non-Latin alphabet phonetically. If English were following the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, not Iran.

So I gather that you pronounce the thing that job seekers send prospective employers the same as the verb "resume"?

[LilianaUwU]

Hey, at least it isn't "self-delete". A few people have started using terms like this on this forum because they don't realize there's no censor here.

I don't want the forum potentially blacklisted from search engines.

Any search engine that would blacklist us for that is a search engine we don't need to be found on.

So am I allowed to say what I really think about (insert politician or CEO), or do we not want the forum to get subpoenaed?
To bring back the subject of censorship, I always used the uncensored version of songs when I was at the local radio.

[Rothman]

In the Key Bridge threads I have done a huge amount of research and if anything recent developments have made my original stance even firmer.

*sigh*

[Max Rockatansky]

If anything recent developments have made my original stance even firmer.

*sigh*

Now it reads like something that would be said in a pair bonding session.

[1995hoo]

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To bring back the subject of censorship, I always used the uncensored version of songs when I was at the local radio.

I remember perhaps 20 or so years ago, probably a little longer ago than that, one of the local radio stations here was doing a "Classic Rock A to Z" sequence over a period of a couple of weeks in which they played every song in their library in alphabetical order. One day the DJ was commenting about the sequence and he said yes, they would play "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida," but then he said, "We've also gotten questions about whether we'll play the Stones' 'Star Star.' Heck, no! Have you been paying attention to what the FCC's been doing after the Super Bowl incident?!!" (He was referring to the Janet Jackson incident.)

Of course, I don't think there is an uncensored version of "Star Star." Heck, the name itself is censored (the Stones call it "Starfucker") because the record company refused to issue it under the original title.

The Washington Capitals sometimes play the bowdlerized version of Cee Lo Green's "Fuck You" after the other team scores a goal (it's one of three or four songs they rotate). The version they play is called "Forget You."

[DenverBrian]

I use "eye-ran" for Iran

So far away? 

[Beltway]

My point is just that English doesn't transliterate foreign names in a non-Latin alphabet phonetically. If English were following the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, not Iran.

So I gather that you pronounce the thing that job seekers send prospective employers the same as the verb "resume"?

In the résumé case, it's the same Latin alphabet and an inherited French spelling, so English keeps the form even if the pronunciation drifts. That's totally different from transliterating a non‑Latin script like Persian. If English were actually following the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, not Iran -- that's the only point I was making.

It's the same principle as "Renault." English keeps the foreign spelling but doesn't pronounce it phonetically. If English were trying to match the native vowel, it would spell it Eran, just like it would spell Renault as Renoh if it wanted to force the French sound.

[kphoger]

My point is just that English doesn't transliterate foreign names in a non-Latin alphabet phonetically.

Imprecise transliteration is hardly unique to English.

Brasil → French Brézil
România → Roumanie

Anyway, though, the English letter i is very commonly used for the ee sound in foreign loanwords.  You probably don't think twice, for example, about not saying eye-gwanna for iguana.

If English were following the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, not Iran. Since English uses I with the "eye" sound, "eye‑ran" fits English orthography better.

But English is not a phonetic language.  English uses i with more than just one sound.

We don't say Cairo as cay-row unless it's the town in Illinois.  We know that the a-i diphthong in a loanword often represents the a-ee sound.

We don't say the capital city of Saudi Arabia as rye-yod.

I'm guessing you don't pronounce the biblical Caleb's son Iru's name as eye-rue [2Ch 4:15], but rather that you instinctively pronounce it as ee-rue.

Likewise, I'm guessing you don't pronounce the name of the guy who arrested the prophet Jeremiah [Jr 37:13] as eye-rye-jah either.

[Beltway]

In the Key Bridge threads I have done a huge amount of research and if anything recent developments have made my original stance even firmer.

[hurl="https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=37084.msg3045575#msg3045575"]*sigh*[/hurl]

. . . liquid sigh

[kphoger]

If English were following the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, not Iran. Since English uses I with the "eye" sound, "eye‑ran" fits English orthography better.

Here's a fun exercise:  show me a common English word that begins with ira- and pronounces the first letter as eye, and I'll show you a related English word that begins with ira- and pronounces the first letter differently.

[Scott5114]

In the résumé case, it's the same Latin alphabet and an inherited French spelling, so English keeps the form even if the pronunciation drifts. That's totally different from transliterating a non‑Latin script like Persian.

wrong

[Beltway]

We don't say the capital city of Saudi Arabia as rye-yod.

Those examples are all Latin‑alphabet loanwords, where English keeps the foreign spelling and adapts the pronunciation. That's the same reason we don't pronounce Renault as ree‑nault.

My point was narrower: when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically. It anglicizes the spelling. If English were trying to match the native vowel in Iran, the spelling would be Eran, just as English would spell Renault as Renoh if it wanted to force the French vowel.

So yes, English uses "i" for multiple sounds -- but in anglicized transliterations, I → /aɪ/ is the default unless the spelling is adjusted to force another vowel.

[GaryV]

when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically

China enters the room ...

[Scott5114]

when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically

China enters the room ...

That's gotta be a pretty fucking big room.

[kphoger]

We don't say the capital city of Saudi Arabia as rye-yod.

Those examples are all Latin‑alphabet loanwords, where English keeps the foreign spelling and adapts the pronunciation. That's the same reason we don't pronounce Renault as ree‑nault.

Hilarious, that the only example you actually quoted is not a Latin-alphabet loanword.

الرياض  →  ar-Ryaḍ  →  Riyadh

My point was narrower: when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically.

So what?  All sorts of languages do the same thing.

The Spanish name for the country Jordán is not a phonetic transliteration of الأردن, but rather follows the same convoluted path through various languages as the English name for the same country.

The German name for the city Damaskus uses the same wrong first vowel sound as English does for the same city دِمَشق.

The Russian name for the city Алеппо uses the same wrong first vowel sound as English does for the same city حلب.

Etc, etc, etc.

It anglicizes the spelling. If English were trying to match the native vowel in Iran, the spelling would be Eran,

No, because i is used to represent the ee sound for loanwords from that part of the world.  As in Tripoli or Shiraz or Erbil or Karachi.

in anglicized transliterations, I → /aɪ/ is the default

Says who?

Looking at the map...

China:  Jinan
Russia:  Izhevsk
Iran:  Isfahan
Ukraine:  Ivano-Frankivsk
Greece:  Ilioupoli

[kphoger]

If English were trying to match the native vowel in Iran, the spelling would be Eran

Question:  How do you pronounce Eritrea?

[Beltway]

when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically

China enters the room ...

That's gotta be a pretty fucking big room.

China and Japan walk into the same room -- and they actually reinforce my point. English spellings of names from non‑Latin scripts aren't phonetic.

Yamato isn't pronounced the way it looks in English. Tokyo isn't either. Same with Beijing, Qingdao, Xi'an, etc.

English adopts a Latinized spelling and then anglicizes the pronunciation. That's the exact mechanism behind Iran => "eye‑ran."

[kphoger]

English adopts a Latinized spelling and then anglicizes the pronunciation.

So, what all sorts of other languages do too.

[Beltway]

We don't say the capital city of Saudi Arabia as rye-yod.

Those examples are all Latin‑alphabet loanwords, where English keeps the foreign spelling and adapts the pronunciation. That's the same reason we don't pronounce Renault as ree‑nault.

Hilarious, that the only example you actually quoted is not a Latin-alphabet loanword.
الرياض  →  ar-Ryaḍ  →  Riyadh

My point was narrower: when English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically.

So what?  All sorts of languages do the same thing.
The Spanish name for the country Jordán is not a phonetic transliteration of الأردن, but rather follows the same convoluted path through various languages as the English name for the same country.
The German name for the city Damaskus uses the same wrong first vowel sound as English does for the same city دِمَشق.
The Russian name for the city Алеппо uses the same wrong first vowel sound as English does for the same city حلب.
Etc, etc, etc.

It anglicizes the spelling. If English were trying to match the native vowel in Iran, the spelling would be Eran,

No, because i is used to represent the ee sound for loanwords from that part of the world.  As in Tripoli or Shiraz or Erbil or Karachi.

in anglicized transliterations, I → /aɪ/ is the default

Says who?
Looking at the map...
China:  Jinan
Russia:  Izhevsk
Iran:  Isfahan
Ukraine:  Ivano-Frankivsk
Greece:  Ilioupoli

The examples you're listing actually reinforce the point I'm making.

When English adopts names from non‑Latin scripts, it doesn't transliterate phonetically. It adopts a Latinized spelling and then anglicizes the pronunciation.

Riyadh is a good illustration: the English spelling comes from a Latinized form of the Arabic, not from a phonetic rendering of الریاض. Same with Beijing, Qingdao, Xi'an, Osaka, Yamato, etc. None of those are pronounced the way a phonetic transliteration would require.

The fact that Spanish, German, Russian, and others also use non‑phonetic Latinized spellings for Arabic names doesn't contradict the mechanism -- it shows that multiple languages follow the same pattern.

So the narrow point stands: Iran is spelled with I because English adopted a Latinized spelling, not because English was trying to match the native vowel. If English wanted to force the native vowel, the spelling would be Eran, just as English would spell Renault as Renoh if it wanted to force the French vowel.

[1995hoo]

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Riyadh is a good illustration: the English spelling comes from a Latinized form of the Arabic, not from a phonetic rendering of الریاض. Same with Beijing, Qingdao, Xi'an, Osaka, Yamato, etc. None of those are pronounced the way a phonetic transliteration would require.

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I'm sure I'm not the only person who recalls how a bunch of Chinese locations suddenly got what appeared to us to be new names in the 1980s when the Chinese government pushed everyone to adopt the Pinyin system for romanizing Chinese-language names. For example, they don't want us to refer to Peking and Chungking anymore (except, in the former's case, when referring to a very tasty dinner made from duck, or to a university that retains the old name).

[vdeane]

Depends on what it is. In the serious technical threads I usually know what I am talking about.

In the Key Bridge threads I have done a huge amount of research and if anything recent developments have made my original stance even firmer.

       

I think your IT career at VDOT gave you just enough knowledge to think you're knowledgeable but not enough to realize why nobody else shares that opinion about you.