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I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« on: December 02, 2019, 03:22:19 PM »

Hi all. I noticed there isn't a thread on our regional board that pertains to the current under construction Interstate 490, the route that will bypass around O'Hare on the west side, connecting I-90, I-294, and IL-390. If anyone has any news, photos, opinions or information of anything related to the project, I'd love to see them here.

Personally I'm mainly curious to see some pictures if anything's going on other than work over I-90. Hopefully as time goes on, we'll get to see more stuff. :nod:
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2019, 07:11:02 PM »

There is one on the Elgin Ohare  but there is so little new construction coming IllInois either from I DOT  it the Folks at I think deserves its own thread.
Fun fact . This area has the highest concentration of manufacturing jobs inn the state.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2019, 07:16:03 PM »

Fun fact . This area has the highest concentration of manufacturing jobs in the state.
Must have something to do with the wide array of Transportation options...Giant Airport, huge Rail Yards, and multiple Major Interstate Highways

Not exactly sure what exact area you are defining, tho. Just the land immediately to the west of ORD?
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2019, 08:27:30 PM »

I need to link it. Illinois has a publication where workers work in metro Chicago. It matches well with public directories like Illinois Manufacturer Diectory.
Yes there was huge movement out of Chicago after the War but yes it was an ideal area rail lines highways and the airport and lots of cheap land for more efficient single story buildings as opposed to old multi story buildings.

Another interesting trend you can see is the high number of temp jobs in the town's with the most manufacturing jobs. It wasn't just China. There were 16 million manufacturing jobs excluding clothing which all went to China in the 90s and early part of Century but now there are 13 million. But then there were less than half a million temps now there are over a million and a half in manufacturing and this report prices it.So we are down about 2 million a mix of China automation and mergers.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM »

As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.

ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)



The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).

CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it.  Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.

Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.

The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.

ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.

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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2019, 10:09:19 PM »

I kinda figured it was a challenge based on everything going on back there. I never really thought something like this would be possible, but I suppose with enough money, it can be.

Looking at the map there, it's kind of surprising they aren't going with a flyover for the connection to WB 90. Hopefully that turn doesn't end up being too tight for trucks. Was there information about the interchange with 294?
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2019, 10:12:52 PM »

The maps were relocated from the "project" area, to the "concept" area.

https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/eowa/eowa-local-advisory-committee

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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2019, 10:15:20 PM »

ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)

In it's last incarnation it was an Oasis (Streetview circa 2011).  Somewhat else would need to confirm if there was ever a toll plaza there.

ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.

Besenville still has some IL 390 stuff on their website.

There's also this presentation from the O'Hare Noise Compatibility website.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2019, 11:50:28 PM »

As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.

ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)



The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).

CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it.  Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.

Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.

The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.

ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
Iíve been up in Northern Illinois over the T-day Weekend and drove down that stretch of I-90/Jane Addams Tollway just north of ORD...I believe the Overpasses that will carry the 490 Trumpet ober I-90 may already be built? GSV shows the area of the Old Des Plaines Oasis being constructed for new Overpass Piers
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2019, 12:40:27 AM »

I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.
I just hope the northbound right shoulder doesn't end up like Maho Beach.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM »

755 is right it was the DesPlaines  Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2019, 10:34:11 AM »

755 is right it was the DesPlaines  Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.

The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.

The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.

The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2019, 10:44:48 AM »

As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.

ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)



The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).

CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it.  Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.

Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.

The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.

ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
Iíve been up in Northern Illinois over the T-day Weekend and drove down that stretch of I-90/Jane Addams Tollway just north of ORD...I believe the Overpasses that will carry the 490 Trumpet ober I-90 may already be built? GSV shows the area of the Old Des Plaines Oasis being constructed for new Overpass Piers

Yup the bridges are complete, I live just north of this so have been seeing the progress. Right now they are building the new feeder ramps off of Elmhurst and I-90 that'll feed directly into 490.

390 has have made progress eastward as they've begun to build the bridges and pavement to begin the ramps to connect to 490 and eventually the western terminals. So far, nothing else has really begun with 490 outside of some utility relocations along Elmhurst Road and Touhy Ave
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2019, 03:55:59 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?

Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?

And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2019, 04:00:33 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?

Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?

And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,


Wisconsin plows and salts flyover ramps at both the Marquette interchange and the Zoo interchange.  Build them wide enough and its fine.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2019, 04:29:07 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?

Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?

And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,

The Tollway does this all the time at several of its interchanges.  I strongly suspect the reason for the trumpet is that the primary movement will be to/from the west, and very few will use the ramps to/from the east.
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2019, 04:56:10 PM »

I think it will be direction of traffic but also space. I think they have tired of fights for example the late Illinois 53. Those Oasis just looked so ultra modern when I was a kid just loved them.
No prob on correction minor error . All tollway property. The new ORT plazas are really interesting looking especially on The far edges of the East West. Like a beacon of civilization in the wilderness.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2019, 05:10:38 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?

Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?

And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,

The Tollway does this all the time at several of its interchanges.  I strongly suspect the reason for the trumpet is that the primary movement will be to/from the west, and very few will use the ramps to/from the east.

I would agree. There's only 1 entrance ramp westbound between 490 and 294, so the only reason I can really see for people to use that movement would be if they made a mistake.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2019, 07:23:20 PM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?

Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?

Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways

I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2019, 09:32:31 AM »

Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?

Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways

I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.

This ^

Most people going westbound on 90 that want to go south would likely use 294, eastbound wanting to go south would use 490. Now I'm sure if one or the other backs up due to a crash it'll increase
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2019, 09:50:35 AM »

I wouldn't construct any flyover ramps at the airport either, so it's definitely a good call on building the trumpet interchange at I-90.
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Re: I-490 (Western O'Hare Bypass)
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2019, 11:06:13 PM »

I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.

I could see the WB to SB movement getting more traffic than anticipated, especially if SB I-490 to WB IL 390 becomes a popular shortcut over to the I-355 corridor.  Though this would be more on congestion avoidance over saving on tolls (since westbound between the Devon Plaza and I-290 there would be zero tolls versus at least another 65 cents for the I-490/IL 390 option); EB I-290 isn't very useful anymore between I-90 and I-355 after 3 PM, if not earlier on most weekdays

I wouldn't construct any flyover ramps at the airport either, so it's definitely a good call on building the trumpet interchange at I-90.

Would a flyover actually get that much higher than the top of the old oasis building, assuming no overhead signs or light poles are mounted on the flyover?
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