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Houston: Inner Katy Freeway project - apparently indefinitely suspended

Started by MaxConcrete, February 06, 2021, 12:09:19 AM

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ElishaGOtis

Quote from: MaxConcrete on May 11, 2026, 10:52:22 PMTwo public meetings are scheduled for late May.

In the previous meeting for this project, there were two options for the managed lanes: at the same level as the main lanes and elevated.

This meeting introduces a third option, called the "variable height" option, which keeps the managed lanes at the same level as the main lanes west of T.C. Jester, and then uses an elevated structure east of T.C. Jester.

QuoteThis Public Meeting formally introduces a third alternative, the Variable Height option, which was developed at the request of local agency partners to provide enhanced community connectivity in the vicinity of Memorial Park. The proposed managed lanes would be constructed at the same elevation as the existing general-purpose lanes from Voss Road to west of T.C. Jester Boulevard. The managed lanes transition to an elevated structure east of T.C. Jester Boulevard and remain elevated to I-45. This alternative would require the acquisition of approximately 5.37 acres and potentially displace five residential and three commercial/business structures.

The variable height option has minimal displacements compared to the non-elevated option. Looking at the schematics for the non-elevated option from 2024, this will require a thin strip of new right-of-way on the north side. The 2024 schematic shows more then 8 displacements from T.C. Jester westward, so they must be squeezing the footprint in that area. Hopefully they won't compromise design standards, but lately TxDOT has developed a bad habit of compromising design standards.

This variable height option is almost certain to be selected, since it has been developed in coordination with local partners.


Postponed it seems...
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Faceman

Quote from: Concrete Bob on January 15, 2024, 01:52:39 AMDouble-deck tunnels have only lost their appeal in California's Bay Area region and perhaps the New York Metro area. Seattle got rid of theirs recently.  Honestly, outside of Saint Joseph Missouri, I can't think of any area with a seriously-developed double-decker freeway system, covering a serious percentage on the local freeway network.

There are two in St. Louis on I-64 going into downtown. One is 1 mile. I think St. Joseph is like a little more than 3/4 of a mile.  :sombrero:

achilles765

Quote from: Faceman on May 22, 2026, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Concrete Bob on January 15, 2024, 01:52:39 AMDouble-deck tunnels have only lost their appeal in California's Bay Area region and perhaps the New York Metro area. Seattle got rid of theirs recently.  Honestly, outside of Saint Joseph Missouri, I can't think of any area with a seriously-developed double-decker freeway system, covering a serious percentage on the local freeway network.
There are two in St. Louis on I-64 going into downtown. One is 1 mile. I think St. Joseph is like a little more than 3/4 of a mile.  :sombrero:

San Antonio---IH 10 and 35 through downtown, and then again on IH 10 for a few miles west of the split with IH 35.  And they are currently building a second stretch of double deck express lanes on IH 35 North of downtown
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achilles765

Quote from: jgb191 on January 15, 2024, 03:40:38 PMThe pair of elevated roadways along the Gulf Freeway are ramps to and from US-59 and TX-288.  Some may think of it as double-decks, but they are just extensions of flyover ramps, much like the elevated ramps from the Sam Tollway onto I-45 or I-10.  The ones in San Antonio and Austin are vertically stacked directly on top and split and then re-merged; it doesn't matter which level you take if you're going through, you'll still end up on the same roadway when they remerge.

Fun fact, until a few years ago, those actually WERE something of a second deck for 45...the northbound one that is now a ramp to IH 69/US59 used to actually connect from Spur 5 back to 45--with an exit for downtown.  The southbound one is pretty much the same--an on ramp from the surface streets with an exit to Spur 5 for the University of Houston.
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MaxConcrete

This project appears to be suspended. All funding has been removed in the 2027 UTP. This means construction won't start in the next 10 years. I'm thinking this is a political and financial issue. There is neighborhood opposition, and funds that were designated for this project have been reallocated, presumably to NHHIP. The abrupt cancellation of the public meetings planned for May suggested there was trouble behind the scenes.

As of the 2025 UTP, this project was listed at $1.1695 billion and had $986.5 million funded. (Page 73)

In the 2026 UTP, subprojects east of Washington were removed. That left two subprojects with a cost of $322 million with only $69 million funded. (Page 69)

In the draft 2027 UTP, there is no longer any mention of this project.

Plutonic Panda

That sucks. One of the big issues with this freeway is that the last widening still backs up because it bottlenecks here.

And if I'm not mistaken, didn't they already downsize the scope of this project? It just doesn't make very much sense that they're able to get extremely controversial projects that are also very costly being one of the most costly ones I can think of which is the overall North Houston I 45 improvement project, which is connected with the downtown one. All the building buildings and houses they razed for that.

But they won't get this project done, which is barely over $1 billion? This is a weird one to me.

MaxConcrete

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on July 03, 2026, 01:50:56 PMThat sucks. One of the big issues with this freeway is that the last widening still backs up because it bottlenecks here.

And if I'm not mistaken, didn't they already downsize the scope of this project? It just doesn't make very much sense that they're able to get extremely controversial projects that are also very costly being one of the most costly ones I can think of which is the overall North Houston I 45 improvement project, which is connected with the downtown one. All the building buildings and houses they razed for that.

But they won't get this project done, which is barely over $1 billion? This is a weird one to me.

Inner Katy is a worthy, justifiable project, because it will fill the managed lanes gap between the existing managed lanes west of I-10 and the planned managed lanes in NHHIP. As you say, it will eliminate the bottleneck.

I was pleasantly surprised when this project received nearly $1 billion in funding in 2025. It seemed like the objective was to finish it at the same time as the I-10 sections of NHHIP, maybe even sooner.

This project was not downsized. However, there is not a recommended alternative. There were two alternatives, one requiring substantial right-of-way and the elevated option, requiring no right-of-way. The new design which was scheduled to be presented at the canceled public meeting was a hybrid of the two options.

Looking at the new UTP, I see substantial cost increases for NHHIP. I'm thinking the decision to suspend the Inner Katy Project is mainly financial.

The NHHIP 3C projects include I-10. Here are cost increases from 2026 to 2027
3C-1: $180 million to $422.3 million. Includes a new $170 million drainage project.
3C-2: $1.74 billion to $2.225 billion
3C-3: $273 million to $398 million
3C-4: $1.165 billion to $723 million. However, the 2027 project is identified as 3C-4A, which suggests there will be a future 3C-4B project. So this may be a project split, not a cost reduction.

Plutonic Panda

OK, that would make sense then. These prices are getting out of control really makes you wonder what they're gonna do. I mean I've always thought that a mileage base tax with something that Americans would never really go for, but I don't know they're gonna have to have some serious new taxes to build these things.

I look at a lot of of the projects planned in these major cities in Texas plus the new interstates and it just like makes me go holy fucking shit. Where do the people that run that state think they're gonna get that money from?

bwana39

In Houston, both the city and Harris County have both been troublesome for TxDOT both in long-term and short-term planning. As the administrations (regimes) have changed, so have the priorities and demands. The City and the County are seldom on the same page and both seem to fight one another.

Houston (City) operates outside of the standard regional planning model (COG / MPO) for highway planning. In many cases the regional plans and the city's plans not just collide but are in opposition to one another.

My take this time is that the Katy Freeway deletion is one of deciding on priorities. The cost of NHHIP has well over doubled since the initial planning stages. NHHIP is not going anywhere. Removing the Pierce Elevated is going to create something that is generally impossible. It is going to create new land. It got rid of the ethnic enclaves around I-69 and enabled expansion of downtown to the EAST (yes I said east... past the soccer stadium). Yes widening the freeway gets rid of EaDo. Buildout will happen there.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

CoreySamson

Wait, so what's going to happen with the work on I-10 that's already going on? Is that a different project?
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MaxConcrete

Quote from: CoreySamson on July 03, 2026, 05:45:57 PMWait, so what's going to happen with the work on I-10 that's already going on? Is that a different project?

The project under construction (and proceeding quickly) is physically between NHHIP and Inner Katy, and is independent. Its main purpose is to raise the freeway elevation to avoid flooding, and it also adds 2x2 managed lanes.

The construction in progress will interface to NHHIP to the east, but its managed lanes will stop at its western limit at Studemont.

MaxConcrete

Here are two views of the work in progress between Studemont and I-45 taken on Sept. 7.

This view looks east from Taylor Street. The new westbound main lanes structure is on the left. Piers are being built for the new westbound managed lanes. The existing managed lanes and eastbound main lanes will be demolished and replaced in the next phase. Full size


This view looks west from Houston Street. Full size

Plutonic Panda

Pardon my ignorance, but why is there progress being made on this project? If the title says it has been indefinitely suspended?

MaxConcrete

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on September 09, 2026, 03:19:57 PMPardon my ignorance, but why is there progress being made on this project? If the title says it has been indefinitely suspended?

This is immediately adjacent to the suspended Inner Katy project, and has been mentioned in this thread (for example July 3). The active construction project does not justify a separate thread.

TXtoNJ

Quote from: bwana39 on July 03, 2026, 04:43:41 PMIn Houston, both the city and Harris County have both been troublesome for TxDOT both in long-term and short-term planning. As the administrations (regimes) have changed, so have the priorities and demands. The City and the County are seldom on the same page and both seem to fight one another.

Houston (City) operates outside of the standard regional planning model (COG / MPO) for highway planning. In many cases the regional plans and the city's plans not just collide but are in opposition to one another.

My take this time is that the Katy Freeway deletion is one of deciding on priorities. The cost of NHHIP has well over doubled since the initial planning stages. NHHIP is not going anywhere. Removing the Pierce Elevated is going to create something that is generally impossible. It is going to create new land. It got rid of the ethnic enclaves around I-69 and enabled expansion of downtown to the EAST (yes I said east... past the soccer stadium). Yes widening the freeway gets rid of EaDo. Buildout will happen there.

Agreed. The other piece of the puzzle is that interested contractors are likely already booked for the foreseeable future, so they aren't pushing for any extra projects to fill slack. Not worth the hassle to push this one through when the very-powerful parks lobby, along with the well-to-do and organized Rice Military neighborhood organizations, will fight anything that isn't a 2.25 mi capped structure with parks and a surface boulevard for local traffic. There's a significant portion of powerful people in city politics who think that shaving off the north end of Memorial Park for the freeway was a wrong that hasn't yet been righted, and they wouldn't let an opportunity like this pass.