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Interstate control cities have gotten smaller over the years

Started by bandit957, June 26, 2021, 02:24:26 PM

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SEWIGuy

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 28, 2021, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 28, 2021, 12:12:26 PM
I've blown through Indiana before on US-41 and IN-63 and not had a problem. I did 70-75 most of the way.
With speed limits out of the picture then, I could probably sustain 80-85 mph on the interstate for long distances, especially if it's not a peak travel period.


Again, it's just a matter of preference, but I'm not going to generally take a route that gets you there in about the same amount of time just so I can drive faster on an interstate. 


Avalanchez71

Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.
How much faster is IN 63?
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https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.
How much faster is IN 63?


About 20 minutes.  Much more scenic though.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 28, 2021, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.
How much faster is IN 63?


About 20 minutes.  Much more scenic though.
Also more lanes
God-emperor of Alanland, king of all the goats and goat-like creatures

Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 28, 2021, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.
How much faster is IN 63?


About 20 minutes.  Much more scenic though.
Also more lanes


Sorry, I meant US-41 is more scenic.  IN-63 is flat and boring - with more lanes.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 28, 2021, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 28, 2021, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 01:07:19 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 28, 2021, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on June 27, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 26, 2021, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2021, 05:39:01 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on June 26, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
Why is St. Louis used west of Paducah?
What else would you use?
Exactly my point. Where else are the majority of drivers headed?
To plays devils advocate a lot are probably going to Chicago and other places in Illinois.
I-65 exists for Chicago-Nashville travel.
Actually, when I got to visit my brother outside of Nashville, I do use I-57 to I-24 a lot. It's a much quicker route than I-65 via Indy and Louisville.

I prefer using US 41.  I do switch up between US 41 and IN 63.
How much faster is IN 63?


About 20 minutes.  Much more scenic though.
Also more lanes


Sorry, I meant US-41 is more scenic.  IN-63 is flat and boring - with more lanes.
Ok makes sense.
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Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

Flint1979

Quote from: sprjus4 on June 28, 2021, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 28, 2021, 12:12:26 PM
I've blown through Indiana before on US-41 and IN-63 and not had a problem. I did 70-75 most of the way.
With speed limits out of the picture then, I could probably sustain 80-85 mph on the interstate for long distances, especially if it's not a peak travel period.
I've done that before so it's not out of the question. Once you get to Terre Haute using IN-63 saves you about 20 minutes so I liked using that highway too. Using IN-63 over US-41 shaves off about 4 miles too.

Flint1979

US-41 is also more dangerous than IN-63. You have two lanes on US-41 vs. a four lane divided highway on IN-63. Like I said before IN-63 only saves you about 4 miles but also in time about 18-20 minutes.

sprjus4

The US-41 routing I mentioned Google gave above for being around the same time as I-57 included that SH-63 leg.

Right now, Google is showing I-24 to I-57 being about 10 minutes faster than US-41/SH-63.

Interestingly, Google also shows from Evansville to Chicago, taking I-69 to I-465 to I-65 is about the same time as US-41/SH-63. Given the upgrade of SH-37 and completion of the last leg of I-69 between Martinsville and Indianapolis would shave off at least 10 minutes of that, it would actually end up being faster traveling via Indianapolis then up US-41/SH-63 by about 10-15 minutes, given no traffic - even quicker than I-57 for a full trip from Clarksville?

Likely just that factor of 70 mph interstate the whole way or 60 mph divided highway as far as going I-69/65 vs. US-41/SH-63.

Roadgeekteen

God-emperor of Alanland, king of all the goats and goat-like creatures

Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

SEWIGuy


SkyPesos

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
US 41 speed limit should be 70
Too many at-grade intersections for 70 mph. Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?

Flint1979

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
US 41 speed limit should be 70
Too many at-grade intersections for 70 mph. Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?
It should be 65 mph. US-127 in Michigan between Ithaca and St. Johns is like that and it's 65 mph.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
US 41 speed limit should be 70
Too many at-grade intersections for 70 mph. Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?
I changed my mind 65 would work.
God-emperor of Alanland, king of all the goats and goat-like creatures

Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?hl=en&mid=1PEDVyNb1skhnkPkgXi8JMaaudM2zI-Y&ll=29.05778059819179%2C-82.48856825&z=5

sprjus4

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
US 41 speed limit should be 70
Too many at-grade intersections for 70 mph. Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?
You ever go to any states with a 70 mph arterial speed limit? It's really not that fast. It's appropriate, IMO.

Also, to answer your question, Ohio. Missouri.

US 89

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?

Yep. In your own state, no less.

Flint1979

Quote from: US 89 on June 29, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?

Yep. In your own state, no less.
I was going to mention US-30 because I've driven on it in Ohio and knew it had a 70 mph speed limit for at least some of it's stretch through Ohio.

SkyPesos

Quote from: Flint1979 on June 29, 2021, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: US 89 on June 29, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?

Yep. In your own state, no less.
I was going to mention US-30 because I've driven on it in Ohio and knew it had a 70 mph speed limit for at least some of it's stretch through Ohio.
It's also a freeway for a good portion of its stretch, which is why I didn't mention it, as I was pretty sure the speed drops to 65 once the freeway portion ends. It seems like US 30 have much fewer at-grade intersections than other expressways (like US 41 in IN, and OH 32, which is signed at 60 mph), to warrant the 70 mph limit.

Avalanchez71

The control city on I-65 south of Nashville was Birmingham for years.  It is now Huntsville.  Huntsville city limit actually does now touch I-65 believe it or not.  Huntsville has annexed way out west.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2021, 08:58:50 AM
The control city on I-65 south of Nashville was Birmingham for years.  It is now Huntsville.  Huntsville city limit actually does now touch I-65 believe it or not.  Huntsville has annexed way out west.


Huntsville will be the largest city in Alabama in a year or so.

hobsini2

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 29, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2021, 08:58:50 AM
The control city on I-65 south of Nashville was Birmingham for years.  It is now Huntsville.  Huntsville city limit actually does now touch I-65 believe it or not.  Huntsville has annexed way out west.


Huntsville will be the largest city in Alabama in a year or so.
It is interesting that the 3 fastest growing cities of consequence in Alabama (Huntsville, Tuscaloosa and Auburn) all have something to do with research and development.
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Flint1979

Quote from: SkyPesos on June 29, 2021, 08:57:32 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 29, 2021, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: US 89 on June 29, 2021, 01:41:46 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on June 28, 2021, 09:03:12 PM
Is there even a rural expressway corridor in the Midwest with a speed limit higher than 65 mph?

Yep. In your own state, no less.
I was going to mention US-30 because I've driven on it in Ohio and knew it had a 70 mph speed limit for at least some of it's stretch through Ohio.
It's also a freeway for a good portion of its stretch, which is why I didn't mention it, as I was pretty sure the speed drops to 65 once the freeway portion ends. It seems like US 30 have much fewer at-grade intersections than other expressways (like US 41 in IN, and OH 32, which is signed at 60 mph), to warrant the 70 mph limit.
Well I know the stretch with at grade intersections east of Mansfield is 60 mph. I only took US-30 as far east as Canton and this was a week ago so I remember it pretty well. I was county clinching on my way to New Stanton, PA so I took a little different route than normal.

Flint1979

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 29, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2021, 08:58:50 AM
The control city on I-65 south of Nashville was Birmingham for years.  It is now Huntsville.  Huntsville city limit actually does now touch I-65 believe it or not.  Huntsville has annexed way out west.


Huntsville will be the largest city in Alabama in a year or so.
Not that surprising. The top four largest cities in Alabama are pretty close in population to each other.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Flint1979 on June 29, 2021, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 29, 2021, 09:24:50 AM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on June 29, 2021, 08:58:50 AM
The control city on I-65 south of Nashville was Birmingham for years.  It is now Huntsville.  Huntsville city limit actually does now touch I-65 believe it or not.  Huntsville has annexed way out west.


Huntsville will be the largest city in Alabama in a year or so.
Not that surprising. The top four largest cities in Alabama are pretty close in population to each other.


If you would have told people in 1960 that Huntsville would be the largest city in Alabama, when it had about 70,000 residents and Birmingham had over 300,000, they would have thought you were nuts.

I wonder when the last time a state's most populous city changed?  Maybe Columbus, Ohio in the early 1990s?



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