Speed Kills Your Pocketbook

[Max Rockatansky]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive. I knew eventually the trolls would come ranting random BS, I doubt you even watched 30 seconds of the videos, and I bet you frequently find yourself driving 20 mph over the speed limits without realizing it. And those videos don't even do a justice to my points because when you convert, Canada speed limits are mostly like 70-75 mph, not 55-70 in this country. If a 12 year old had made those two videos, I would say he is smarter and more mature than 99% of American Adults.

I mean, you were the one who said upthread you have only been on the likes of I-80 and I-95.... So, how are you on the hardest drives possible when you are just commuting in a developed part of the country on mostly limited access roads? 

[Max Rockatansky]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive. I knew eventually the trolls would come ranting random BS, I doubt you even watched 30 seconds of the videos, and I bet you frequently find yourself driving 20 mph over the speed limits without realizing it. And those videos don't even do a justice to my points because when you convert, Canada speed limits are mostly like 70-75 mph, not 55-70 in this country. If a 12 year old had made those two videos, I would say he is smarter and more mature than 99% of American Adults.

All hat, no cattle.

But your OP was?

You're the OP of this thread (original poster).

[jeffandnicole]

"Today's term of a "fender bender" is different than that of a few decades ago.  Then, there were metal bumpers, and if two cars hit, the fender bent a little, but didn't really break, and didn't affect anything else in the car.  In today's cars, a bumper hit can set off air bags, destroy sensors, and affect a number of car components.  The car is still movable, but you're best to get it off the road, get a police report if possible, and contact your insurance company, because the car could very well be totaled."

By fender bender, I don't literally mean someone's bumper was damaged, but people have this idea that any time two cars come into contact, it's an "accident" that both drivers should stop in the road for. And most cars that I see blocking 2+ lanes don't have any visible damage and most likely can pull over 20 feet. And stopping dead like that only causes more accidents.

Depends on the drivers.  Many drivers will just move out of the roadway if it was a simple bump.  But some drivers go with the old notion that you should never move the cars at all, because they think the police will come out and do an entire investigation.  They will use up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station. They will take plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence. They'll take pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography.

[JayhawkCO]

Yes and most of those rural freeway speed limits(the ones he was focusing on) are almost 70 mph, or as high as 75 mph, which is why I said 70-75 mph. Also in the video, the guy was referencing how the govt dropped many of the speed limits after raising them, so some of those were initially higher. Again, watch both videos start to finish before engaging. I never claimed to be the expert on road safety, hence why the title of this thread was the title of the two videos and not something like "Speed Never Kills VROOM!"

You claimed that Canada has mostly speed limits of 70-75.  In only one province, British Columbia, is that point valid.  I know 68 is close to 70, but so is 65 and you have a considerable issue with that in the U.S. it appears.  I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

[hotdogPi]

I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

They're legitimately good videos. I saw the first of them (before the second came out) several years ago.

[JayhawkCO]

I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

They're legitimately good videos. I saw the first of them (before the second came out) several years ago.

I'll trust you over a random person that comes onto another forum calling others trolls for disagreeing with them.  Perhaps I'll check them out later.

Chris

[Max Rockatansky]

^^^

What does Qanon and Flat Earth have anything to do with the subject of speed limits?  If you can't handle receiving feedback that runs contrary to your opinions then maybe this forum isn't for you?

I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

They're legitimately good videos. I saw the first of them (before the second came out) several years ago.

I'll trust you over a random person that comes onto another forum calling others trolls for disagreeing with them.  Perhaps I'll check them out later.

Chris

The feedback by 1 is the only reason I have it sitting my watch list.  The OP really has done nothing in this thread to establish much credibility, at least to the extent I wouldn't trust a video recommendation.

[JayhawkCO]

I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

They're legitimately good videos. I saw the first of them (before the second came out) several years ago.

I'll trust you over a random person that comes onto another forum calling others trolls for disagreeing with them.  Perhaps I'll check them out later.

Chris

I had a hard time trying to link them because I am not sure how to get the URL from a mobile phone. I tried the youtube icon option, didn't work. Literally type in the first  three words and they'll both come up almost instantly, are you that lazy? And if you are going to compare Qanon or flat earth to those videos, you are definitely a troll.

Don't think that word quite means what you think it does.  But that's okay.  Per 1's recommendations, I'll check them out later.

Chris

[Rothman]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive. I knew eventually the trolls would come ranting random BS, I doubt you even watched 30 seconds of the videos, and I bet you frequently find yourself driving 20 mph over the speed limits without realizing it. And those videos don't even do a justice to my points because when you convert, Canada speed limits are mostly like 70-75 mph, not 55-70 in this country. If a 12 year old had made those two videos, I would say he is smarter and more mature than 99% of American Adults.

All hat, no cattle.

But your OP was?

You're the OP of this thread (original poster).

I said your OP, not "the" OP, as in, your original comment about 12 YOs. The basic concept is: Most interstate speed limits are unreasonably low, the penalties are outrageously harsh, and insurance shouldn't automatically raise rates due to a speeding ticket when there was no accident, nor automatically consider speed the main reason for an accident. And BTW, I don't usually drive 100-120 mph, my top speeds are probably only hit for less than a miles distance, and I usually drive in the 70-90 mph range or with traffic flow, regardless of the speed limit, and I usually drive less than the speed limit on any road that is not limited access.

I didn't say anything about 12-year-olds.

[jeffandnicole]

"Today's term of a "fender bender" is different than that of a few decades ago.  Then, there were metal bumpers, and if two cars hit, the fender bent a little, but didn't really break, and didn't affect anything else in the car.  In today's cars, a bumper hit can set off air bags, destroy sensors, and affect a number of car components.  The car is still movable, but you're best to get it off the road, get a police report if possible, and contact your insurance company, because the car could very well be totaled."

By fender bender, I don't literally mean someone's bumper was damaged, but people have this idea that any time two cars come into contact, it's an "accident" that both drivers should stop in the road for. And most cars that I see blocking 2+ lanes don't have any visible damage and most likely can pull over 20 feet. And stopping dead like that only causes more accidents.

Depends on the drivers.  Many drivers will just move out of the roadway if it was a simple bump.  But some drivers go with the old notion that you should never move the cars at all, because they think the police will come out and do an entire investigation.  They will use up all kinds of cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station. They will take plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence. They'll take pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography.

And all of that is a waste of the cops' time.

Especially when they see the seeing-eye dog next to the judge.

[hotdogPi]

That wasn't Rothman.

[Max Rockatansky]

I might have watched some of the videos had you actually taken the time to link them, but when followed up with your opinion that they are possibly the only two videos on YouTube with worthy content, I have a hunch I might be better educated by taking time to watch a QAnon video or maybe some Flat Earther garbage. I'll pass.

Chris

They're legitimately good videos. I saw the first of them (before the second came out) several years ago.

I'll trust you over a random person that comes onto another forum calling others trolls for disagreeing with them.  Perhaps I'll check them out later.

Chris

I had a hard time trying to link them because I am not sure how to get the URL from a mobile phone. I tried the youtube icon option, didn't work. Literally type in the first  three words and they'll both come up almost instantly, are you that lazy? And if you are going to compare Qanon or flat earth to those videos, you are definitely a troll.

Don't think that word quite means what you think it does.  But that's okay.  Per 1's recommendations, I'll check them out later.

Chris

By later you mean never, or most likely skimming it with severe bias because of my statements here. That's why anyone posting should have fully watched both before commenting. If you think they are stupid, feel free to rant here, but not before watching.

Why do you care so much what all of us watch?  You don't get to dictate our opinions and what we should/shouldn't be watching.  You certainly have no authority to tell any of us we can't comment in this thread.

[kphoger]

Only a 12 year old would say this without actually watching the videos. If you drove for even 2 minutes any of the roads where I live ...

I said only a 12 year old would rant like this without watching the videos, nothing about you driving in the same areas as me.

And I said only a 12 year old would presume to know where and how much |Occidental Tourist| has or has not driven in your area.

Do you think all billionaires made their money fairly?

I don't assume they made it fairly, and I don't assume they made it unfairly.  Likewise, the guy down the street who's almost broke and can barely afford the car he drives–I don't assume he made the little money he has fairly, and I don't assume he made it unfairly.  For all I know, he bought his car by trafficking meth;  I certainly know a person or two of whom that is true.  It seems, however, that you think "billionaires" (such as, apparently, the owners of car insurance companies) are all evil, law-breaking scoundrels who don't deserve the wealth they've earned.

Do you think it's fair that people making tic tok videos are collecting 6x the salary of a neurosurgeon?

What does that have to do with anything?

each person's insurance paying for each of their damage, regardless of fault, is simpler and less tedious.

The correct idea (or fair or right or whatever) isn't necessarily the simplest and least tedious.

I'm not saying the rich drivers should pay for every other drivers damage

No, but you're saying the rich insurance companies should pay the same amount no matter what.  You're saying my insurance company should pay for half of the fender bender I was in, even though the other driver was 80% at fault.  You're saying that, if I decide to go 50 mph through a parking lot and slam into your car, that my insurance company should only foot half be bill.  And your reasoning is that insurance companies are flush with money and it doesn't matter how much they pay.

when you convert, Canada speed limits are mostly like 70-75 mph

Not exactly a math major, are you?  The only round number in km/h that lands between 70 and 75 mph is 120 km/h–a speed which only exists in one province.

You're the OP of this thread (original poster).

I said your OP, not "the" OP, as in, your original comment about 12 YOs.

That's not what "OP" means.  It can mean one of two things:

(1) Original Poster – The person who started the thread
(2) Original Post – The first post of the thread, i.e. the one that the Original Poster made

[Rothman]

That wasn't Rothman.

I agree with 1, for he is credible.

[Max Rockatansky]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive. I knew eventually the trolls would come ranting random BS, I doubt you even watched 30 seconds of the videos, and I bet you frequently find yourself driving 20 mph over the speed limits without realizing it. And those videos don't even do a justice to my points because when you convert, Canada speed limits are mostly like 70-75 mph, not 55-70 in this country. If a 12 year old had made those two videos, I would say he is smarter and more mature than 99% of American Adults.

All hat, no cattle.

But your OP was?

You're the OP of this thread (original poster).

I said your OP, not "the" OP, as in, your original comment about 12 YOs. The basic concept is: Most interstate speed limits are unreasonably low, the penalties are outrageously harsh, and insurance shouldn't automatically raise rates due to a speeding ticket when there was no accident, nor automatically consider speed the main reason for an accident. And BTW, I don't usually drive 100-120 mph, my top speeds are probably only hit for less than a miles distance, and I usually drive in the 70-90 mph range or with traffic flow, regardless of the speed limit, and I usually drive less than the speed limit on any road that is not limited access.

I didn't say anything about 12-year-olds.

Sigh

I wasn't the one who said "12 year old"  either.  I did insinuate that you appear to be an inexperienced driver based off your comments.  The only OP of this thread is you since you are in fact the one who created it.  You might want to look at the AAroads dictionary thread to get up to speed on some of the lingo on the forum.

[JayhawkCO]

To establish my credibility, you have to watch the videos, nice circular reasoning. I don't care who eventually convinces you to watch them. He compared Qanon conspiracy videos and flat earth to two intelligent videos he never watched, so he is the troll and the one who should be reported for spamming.

If someone who I've never interacted with comes on strong and highly recommends videos about any topic, I am likely to be dubious about the content of such videos.  Perhaps, based on posters here with long track records recommending the videos, I dismissed the videos hastily.  I will admit fault in that.  That said, you could take lessons on how to get people to do what you want.  You want people to watch the videos, so perhaps calling them names might not suit your purpose.

By later you mean never, or most likely skimming it with severe bias because of my statements here. That's why anyone posting should have fully watched both before commenting. If you think they are stupid, feel free to rant here, but not before watching.

If I say I'll do something, I'll do it.  Perhaps I'll rant away; perhaps I won't.  That remains to be seen. 

Chris

[kphoger]

The only OP of this thread is you since you are in fact the one who created it.  You might want to look at the AAroads dictionary thread to get up to speed on some of the lingo on the forum.

That's not a "lingo on the forum" thing.  That's an "all forums everywhere" thing.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/424366/does-op-mean-original-poster-or-original-post

[Max Rockatansky]

The only OP of this thread is you since you are in fact the one who created it.  You might want to look at the AAroads dictionary thread to get up to speed on some of the lingo on the forum.

That's not a "lingo on the forum" thing.  That's an "all forums everywhere" thing.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/424366/does-op-mean-original-poster-or-original-post

True, but I also thought it would be an opportune time to send the OP in the right direction to get some experience with road lingo.  Perhaps he would like to chime in with how he defines a "fender bender?"

[Max Rockatansky]

Why are you assuming that anyone is angry but you?  I know I'm not "mad"  at anything, amused perhaps. 

[Scott5114]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive.

Buddy, we've all done that. You realize what forum you're on, right? Drop your Travel Mapping link if you want anyone to care.

[Max Rockatansky]

^^^

Actually several people early in the thread said the exact opposite and were of the opinion that speed limits were often too low. 

Why are you assuming that anyone is angry but you?  I know I'm not "mad"  at anything, amused perhaps.

You seemed pretty ticked off about my mention of that group in one of the early posts, and wouldn't let it go for a few posts, but I again I apologize for being an error. MAD was a joke, chill.

Not so much, I was more confused on what basis you were trying to inform your opinions off of early in the thread.  Again, awfully assumptive of you that I'm (or was) angry about anything.  You don't know me, but lots of people on this forum do.  I tend to be pretty sarcastic which admittedly can fall flat in written form. 

[kphoger]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

If you drove for even 2 minutes any of the roads where I live you would see in 3 seconds how absurdly and outrageously low the speed limits are.

Only a 12 year old would assume a total stranger hasn't, in fact, already driven plenty in the area you live in.

I said only a 12 year old would rant like this without watching the videos, nothing about you driving in the same areas as me.

And I said only a 12 year old would presume to know where and how much |Occidental Tourist| has or has not driven in your area.

I said "if", and the odds are you don't live in the same area as me.

No.

|Occidental Tourist| compared you to his 12-year-old explaining a concept based on a YouTube video.

Then you asserted that, if he "drove for even 2 minutes" where you drive, then he would apparently agree with your position.

I called you out for assuming that he hasn't actually driven in your area–to which you denied having said anything about driving in the same area as you.

Then I reminded you of that thing you said that assumed |Occidental Tourist| hadn't driven in your area.

The clear implication by your use of the word "if" was that anyone who disagrees with you has obviously not driven in your area.  Perhaps you were employing hyperbole in that statement.  Whatever.

Also, what does it matter if we live in the same area as you?  All that matter is if someone has experience driving in your area.

[Scott5114]

Just happened upon this thread.  Reading this is like listening to my 12 year-old trying to explain to me a concept he heretofore knew nothing about, but, because he just saw a YouTube video about it, he now thinks he's an expert on the subject.

Have fun.

FWIW I'm gathering from the comments that the OP is a relatively young person and a inexperienced driver.

I drive anywhere from 60 to 290 miles a day, and have most likely driven around the earth multiple times in the decade I've been driving, in one of the hardest places to drive.

Buddy, we've all done that. You realize what forum you're on, right? Drop your Travel Mapping link if you want anyone to care.

Which is why I am shocked that so many people here think speed is such a huge factor in causing accidents. And no, I don't keep track of traveling in a link, nor log miles or am on a mission to drive every mile of  interstate in the US.

Then how do you expect anyone to take your claims seriously, if even you do not know where you've driven?

[Max Rockatansky]

^^^

Actually several people early in the thread said the exact opposite and were of the opinion that speed limits were often too low. 

Why are you assuming that anyone is angry but you?  I know I'm not "mad"  at anything, amused perhaps.

You seemed pretty ticked off about my mention of that group in one of the early posts, and wouldn't let it go for a few posts, but I again I apologize for being an error. MAD was a joke, chill.

Not so much, I was more confused on what basis you were trying to inform your opinions off of early in the thread.  Again, awfully assumptive of you that I'm (or was) angry about anything.  You don't know me, but lots of people on this forum do.  I tend to be pretty sarcastic which admittedly can fall flat in written form.

Fine, I was an idiot for assuming so, I don't have a problem with admitting I'm wrong, but I have a problem with those who assume age or experience are the sole factors in the validity of someone's point or someone else's videos that I simply referenced. 1,000,000 miles of driving at 75 mph doesn't give anyone experience at 120 mph.

I mean, unless someone actually competes in racing circuits you are not likely to encounter much of anyone domestically that has a great deal of experience with 120 MPH plus.  Even still, that is a different kind of driving and it might at best translate to a higher measure of car control during a potential crash scenario.  I would argue that you're wrong though, one million miles behind the wheel is a massive amount of driving experience.  I would trust someone with that level of experience at any speed far more than an inexperienced driver. 

[JayhawkCO]

1,000,000 miles of driving at 75 mph doesn't give anyone experience at 120 mph.

Alright.  I just watched both videos, as I said I would.  I don't disagree with the vast majority of what's in the videos.  As I mentioned upthread, I'm not typically driving right at the speed limit either.  But I hang out probably in the 5-8 mph over the limit thread.  Technically illegal yes, but I'm going with the majority of the traffic.  Why I've been disagreeing with you specifically (without having needed to watch the videos as they don't change my stance based on what you've posted), is that you bring up things like what I quoted above.  We could find middle ground that speed limits should be raised based on the 85th percentile stuff.  But then you talk about going 120 mph, which is well outside the 85th percentile of any road in North America. 

If you want to make a fully reasoned argument that raising speed limits isn't unsafe (and according to videos, is actually more safe, which is one of the things that I disagree with¹), then you need to not come from the standpoint of one of the outliers that even the presenter in your videos wasn't arguing in favor of. 

Chris

1 - He doesn't like the use of shorter sample sizes when discussing crashes after the speed limits were raised, yet uses the same sample sizes when saying that things got safer.  Can't have it both ways.