state route endpoint oddities

[Flint1979]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

[Flint1979]

Kentucky has a route that loops around a bend in the Ohio River and ends at itself. Can't remember the number offhand and I've never driven it, but I'd like to sometime just to see how it's signed.

Is it 1047? All that highway looks like it does is splits off and goes around a loop that ends where it started.

[JCinSummerfield]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

[NWI_Irish96]

Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...

There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.

That's honestly no different than what Indiana does. Like for example they have three segments of SR-4. Although I don't think they ever connected to each other like OK-15 did.

Indiana considers them to be three segments of the same highway, and the mileage markers reflect that. Some highways, like IN 22, used to connect but none of the segments of IN 4 ever did.

[Flint1979]

Depends if you consider the western OK 15 and the eastern OK 15 "two different routes with the same number". When US 412 was commissioned it took over a big chunk of OK 15, so now there are two different OK 15s, both of which end at US 412. But then US 412 isn't a state route...

There are three OK 9As that end at OK 9, but that's probably not the sort of thing you're looking for.

That's honestly no different than what Indiana does. Like for example they have three segments of SR-4. Although I don't think they ever connected to each other like OK-15 did.

Indiana considers them to be three segments of the same highway, and the mileage markers reflect that. Some highways, like IN 22, used to connect but none of the segments of IN 4 ever did.

I never really pay much attention to it because of GPS systems and such but IN-22 through Kokomo and IN-25 through Lafayette and those types of things I remember them switching it all to local control about 5-6 years ago.

[Flint1979]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

Kind of pointless. You'd have to US-31 on the Mackinac Bridge with I-75 and then switch a bunch of route signs around for not that much gain.

[GaryV]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

Paradise is hardly the border.

[Flint1979]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

Paradise is hardly the border.

Right. They'd have to make it like US-41 and go up to Whitefish Point and end in a cul-de-sac.

[sturmde]

Despite being 96 miles long, the endpoints of M-123 are only about 53 miles apart.

That's why I push for the eastern leg to become and extension of US-31.

I don't see why it would get an extension of US-31. If anything it'd just be given a new state highway number.

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

Kind of pointless. You'd have to US-31 on the Mackinac Bridge with I-75 and then switch a bunch of route signs around for not that much gain.

Cascade posts are fun... but back to topic.  It could always be an "unsigned" continuation over the Mac and up 75 to Canada.
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Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage?  Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.
US 91 on the south end terminated in the LA Metro at former US 101A.
and so on....

[GaryV]

^ It's probably easier to count the US-x1's that DO go all the way to Canada.

[dvferyance]

WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.

[TheGrassGuy]

NY 421 starts at NY 30 just south of Tupper Lake (the middle of nowhere) and ends after just under six miles at a dead-end in the middle of nowhere!

Remember, friends: If you ever feel useless, just remember that NY-421 exists!

[TheGrassGuy]

NY 14's northern terminus is a cul-de-sac! http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=&ll=43.267081,-76.973423&spn=0.004148,0.006899&z=17

NY 14's northern terminus is a shrunken version of NY 27's eastern terminus!

[Takumi]

WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.

VA 162 also ends at a county line, sort of (it's an independent city line).

[Voyager75]

Last year ALDOT rerouted AL-149 at its south terminus to end along Lakeshore Drive just off I-65. It just ends at the unmarked Homewood/Birmingham city limits which is at a random point along the road.

Blurry pic I took:



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[Max Rockatansky]

CA 203 isn't too odd considering that is direct access to Devil's Post Pile National Monument and was at least studied as a Trans-Sierra Highway.  Similarly CA 190, CA 180, and CA 168 were all envisioned as Trans-Sierra Highways at one point or another.  CA 59 ending in Snelling makes sense considering lines up with the planned route of CA 65.  CA 68 does have an odd west terminus at the Alisomar Convention Center, but it is a state facility.  CA 3 ending in Montague seems like an unnatural terminus but it essentially does provide a state connection to Yreka.  CA 191 ends at a major community in Paradise.  CA 169 is still on the books as a planned route along the Klamath River.  CA 211 was planned as the northern segment of CA 1 in the Lost Coast.  That's just a sampling of some of the more notable highways north of Bakersfield.

[ErmineNotyours]

Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage?  Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.

US 101 does at least pass a few blocks from an auto ferry to Victoria, BC, fulfilling its border obligations.

[Dirt Roads]

Why not?  US highways ending in 1 should be border to border anyways.

Are there other US-n1's that don't or didn't have border-to-border coverage?  Sure!!
US 101 on the north end terminated at US 99 and I-5 today.

US 101 does at least pass a few blocks from an auto ferry to Victoria, BC, fulfilling its border obligations.

US-21 went to Cleveland, which is as close to the border as you can get in Ohio.  But the south end at Beaufort, South Carolina is not a southern border town in any sense (as compared to Key West or say Spanish Fort, Alabama).

[Flint1979]

WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.

M-152 should either be transferred to local control or extended to at least M-140. The road it ends on at the county line is Napier Avenue which further west carries US-31 between the St. Joseph Parkway and I-94.

[TheGrassGuy]

Texas State Highway 165...

How the hell would you even calculate the length of that?

[TheGrassGuy]

Might've I-465 been a CT-145 situation before the designation of I-865?

[Flint1979]

US-81 and especially US-91 no longer go border to border so why should there be an extension of US-31 just to make it go further north for little reason? Paradise isn't even the border.

[WillWeaverRVA]

WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.

VA 162 also ends at a county line, sort of (it's an independent city line).

Also, VA 142 ends at what used to be an independent city line, but is now basically the middle of nowhere in southwestern Petersburg.

[TheGrassGuy]

Guys, I think I found the craziest example of it. Not a state-level highway, but a national-level highway. And an expressway, no less!

In China, G92 is such a next-level example of this.


It is in the shape of a lasso, forming a loop around the Hangzhou Bay with an northerly extension to Shanghai. (The northerly extension is not signed; check it out on Baidu or QQ's street view software. I can also verify because I have been there.) It provides access to the cities of Hangzhou, Shaoxing, Ningbo, and Jiaxing. All of its length (IIRC) is multiplexed with other national expressways. On top of it all, it ends at the Shanghai border.

Like, that would be like designating the Hampton Roads beltway as, I don't know, I-36, and then extending it along I-64 to the Newport News-Williamsburg border.

[Mapmikey]

WI-24 VA-108 and MI-152 all end at a county line. The first 2 once did have normal end points the 3rd one always ended there. IL-178 becomes a local road just after the entrance for Mattison State Park.

VA 108 ends 1.1 miles short of the county line.

Virginia Routes that end at a municipal boundary (there used to be a ton of these).

VA 68 - Lee/Wise Line
VA 99 - NCL Pulaski
VA 136 - WCL Alberta
VA 162 - ECL Williamsburg (from outside)
VA 181 - NCL Belle Haven
VA 188 - NCL Clifton Forge
VA 213 - Manassas/Manassas Park Line
VA 227 - WCL Urbanna
VA 294 - technically a 2-piece route with endpoints at Manassas line
VA 407 - Chesapeake/Va Beach Line

VA 171, VA 253 and VA 280 are posted as if they end at CL of an independent city but they all do exist inside the city.