The universe according to MMM

Started by Max Rockatansky, December 21, 2022, 12:08:08 PM

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Who do you think MMM really is?

Wesley Crusher
George Santos
Peewee Herman
Morshu from the Zelda CDi games
Potara fused FritzOwl and Kernals12 (KernalsOwl)
George Soros
Wesley Santos (Wesley Crusher and George Santos fusion)

Scott5114

Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef


hotdogPi

1 Minecraft block of iron ore is 1 m³ of density similar to stone (roughly 3), and I'm roughly saying ton = tonne. So that's 3 tons of iron ore in a single block.

A chest holds 27×64 items = 1728 blocks. 60000/3=20000 blocks are required, so that's 11.57 chests. Shouldn't be too hard. In fact, a single chest filled with 12 shulker boxes will do it; chests can hold 27 shulker boxes, so it's not even at capacity.
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MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
My username has been outdated since August 2023 but I'm too lazy to change it

kphoger

The theory of MMM's existence is a scam.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

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MultiMillionMiler

Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.

kalvado

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
Force in a general relativity... Well, honestly I never went that deep, but that should be way beyond F=ma

kkt

Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 01:31:22 PM
Now the only issue is boats. Since they are generally slower, they would have to yield to the cars at any intersection with I-90, but then that wouldn't make I-90 limited access, hmm this is hard.

What's wrong with applying the nautical rules of the road we already have?

kphoger

Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.

Don't forget to factor in time dilation.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

kkt

Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate. According to relativity, Mass increases slightly as speed increases, since energy and matter are equivalent. So the more you accelerate, the higher your mass, which in turns makes it harder to accelerate, essentially its a figure-8 feedback loop.

Newtonian physics is perfectly appropriate for the speeds at which motor vehicles and boats travel.

My high school physics teacher punished anyone who asked about that by giving them an extra assignment:  compute the problem twice, once using Newtonian physics, and once using relativistic physics, and report the difference between the results.

kphoger


He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Scott5114

#1385
Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:01:49 PM
Well technically, F = MA isn't 100% accurate.

fucking called it
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kkt

Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 04:26:02 PM
Time dilation is a scam. It was just invented by overenthusiastic physics people who spent so much of their life solving equations and studying science that they wanted there to be some kind of thrill regarding time. Or they watched too many science fiction movies so they desperately wanted time travel stuff to be real.

Prove it and you'll be up for a Nobel Prize.

MultiMillionMiler

#1387
I don't have physical proof, as I don't have personal access to atomic clocks (which are also a scam) but I do have a couple arguments against it.

1. According to special relativity, all constant velocity is relative, therefore it is impossible to determine which object is moving. If object x is moving away from object Y at .5C for example, it is impossible to determine if Object x is moving at .5c, if object Y is moving the other direction at .5c, or if both object x and y are moving away from each other, at the same time at .1c and .4c or .25c and .25c, or .35c and .15c, or any of the infinite number of combinations in between. Two clocks cant simultaneously be slower of faster than each other at the same time. now, they claim this is resolved by acceleration, which is absolute, but if this was the case, why is the amount of time spent at the peak velocity used to determine the amount of time dilation, since only acceleration determines the difference. For example, a little calculation shows that if one were to blast off in a spacecraft at a sustained 2G acceleration for 40 years, 906 million years would have passed on the earth. But that calculation uses the 40 years (or 37 whatever) once top speed is achieved. If acceleration is what determines which object is time dilated, then the constant velocity segment of the trip is irrelevant. So, which is it?

There are similar arguments and even better ones in this article which I may have posted before:

http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/TimeDilation.htm

and:

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/53009/is-time-dilation-an-illusion#:~:text=Time%20Dilation%20is%20real%20insofar,frames%20measured%20against%20real%20time.

And I have a 2nd second argument:

2. If both gravity and speed both contribute to time dilation, then theoretically it should be possible to sum the effects of both of these to an amount that would be equivalent to greater than the speed of light. If for example, I achieve .999999c in a spacecraft, but then also fly near a blackhole that exerts a gravitational pull that would be equivalent to, say, a .1c speed, the sum of these effects are greater than the speed of light, so there's no logical prediction for how the time dilation would take effect?

From the 2nd site, an important quote: "Time Dilation is real insofar as it tells us the rate at which things happen in one reference frame relative to another. However, it is based on clock time, which is virtual.

Real time doesn't, and never will vary. Things can still happen at different rates in different reference frames measured against real time. "

Roadgeekteen

I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.
My username has been outdated since August 2023 but I'm too lazy to change it

SectorZ

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.

kalvado

Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler

GaryV

Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler

What do you expect from a psychology major?

algorerhythms

Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 03:13:32 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 23, 2023, 03:06:27 PM
Now we're going to be treated to a whole rant about how f = ma is bullshit, aren't we?
We need "physics according to MMM"
Force in a general relativity... Well, honestly I never went that deep, but that should be way beyond F=ma
F = dp/dt, where p is momentum. In classical mechanics, p=mv, where m is mass and v is velocity. If you assume mass is constant, then F=d(mv)/dt=m dv/dt=ma. If the mass isn't constant, then you get F=ma+v*dm/dt.

In the case of special relativity, p=γ m0 v, where m0 is the rest mass, and γ=1/sqrt(1-v/c).

I forget where I was going with this, but MMM is a moron.

kkt

Quote from: GaryV on February 23, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler
What do you expect from a psychology major?

Scientific literacy?  Respect for the truth?

kphoger

Quote from: kkt on February 23, 2023, 06:56:32 PM
Scientific literacy?  Respect for the truth?

The ability to say, "I'm not an expert, therefore I defer in large part to those who are"?

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
I tried taking astronomy last semester and it went so poorly that I had to withdraw. I'm not an equations/physics guy. But I have to take a physical science elective eventually, so we'll see.
My username has been outdated since August 2023 but I'm too lazy to change it

MultiMillionMiler


Roadgeekteen

Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 23, 2023, 07:44:33 PM
Refute my arguments then.

The moon is flat, Joe Biden is an alien, the internet is fake, dinosaurs never existed, the Earth is only 5 years old

Refute my arguments
My username has been outdated since August 2023 but I'm too lazy to change it

kalvado

Quote from: GaryV on February 23, 2023, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: kalvado on February 23, 2023, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 23, 2023, 06:30:21 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 23, 2023, 06:23:46 PM
I don't know shit about physics, but considering you don't even think that NYC is a coastal city not sure if I trust your math.

I do know shit about physics and also know that MMM is full of shit by getting info from people that also know little about physics and then cherry picking questions from forums where he thinks the questioner proves his point yet the responses are a critical beatdown to it.

MMM, either you're a complete troll with this stuff or your just some RFK Jr type that buys that everything is a conspiracy and that people who have worked decades in this research somehow know less than you.

RGT - I know they have them at UMass, take a physics elective sometime or an astrophysics one if possible. I guarantee you'll like it and definitely guarantee you won't end up like MMM in regards to your understanding of our universe.
Honestly speaking, MMM is arguing physics below high school level. His arguments are discussed in the very beginning of "relativity for dummies" grade text. Which should be well within the reach of high schooler

What do you expect from a psychology major?
Ability to read and understand texts written for high school. Do you think I am setting the bar too high?

Roadgeekteen

MMM is really making me miss Poiponen13. I used to catergorize them together, but MMM is so much worse now.
My username has been outdated since August 2023 but I'm too lazy to change it



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