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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2012, 10:10:10 AM »

Also: where 110/CKC is posted along I-35, I-35 is not

Well, it's not like they took down the actual I-35 shields.  They just erected additional ones.  At least, from what I've seen.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2012, 10:51:39 AM »

Also: where 110/CKC is posted along I-35, I-35 is not

Well, it's not like they took down the actual I-35 shields.  They just erected additional ones.  At least, from what I've seen.

The only 35 signs I saw were Mileposts, as of 6-17. The side roads have 35 signs, just none along 35 itself.


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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2012, 11:04:50 AM »

Where's the west end of 110?
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2012, 12:52:29 PM »

Where's the west end of 110?

Just south of 435 on I-35 at Bryant St. There is a small END CKC  MO 110 assembly on a bridge support. I didn't see it soon enough to get a photo, so I'll have to look again next time I'm up that way (probably December)
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2012, 09:41:44 PM »

Also: where 110/CKC is posted along I-35, I-35 is not

Well, it's not like they took down the actual I-35 shields.  They just erected additional ones.  At least, from what I've seen.

The only 35 signs I saw were Mileposts, as of 6-17. The side roads have 35 signs, just none along 35 itself.

Are you kidding me??  Am I reading this right:  MoDOT actually took down the I-35 shields??  I mean.... ASDJILFBSDFJBD!! [there is no appropriate emoticon for my feeling]
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2012, 10:30:05 PM »

Are you kidding me??  Am I reading this right:  MoDOT actually took down the I-35 shields??  I mean.... ASDJILFBSDFJBD!! [there is no appropriate emoticon for my feeling]

To my knowledge, yes, they removed the I-35 shields on the CKC overlap. I left a message (and photo) on the MoDOT's KC Region Facebook page, but no one has responded. I may have to write them about this.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2012, 11:28:41 PM »

Also: where 110/CKC is posted along I-35, I-35 is not



Older assembly in the same area from streetview:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39.260902,-94.449248&spn=0.028144,0.066047&t=m&z=15&layer=c&cbll=39.260589,-94.449348&panoid=Mdyjh57CZSiq3cp6YJFJPg&cbp=12,213.33,,0,0

I don't understand why MoDOT would suddenly stop completely signing multiplexes; if anything should be hiding there, it should be US 69.

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #82 on: June 27, 2012, 09:43:05 AM »

I remember seeing old stand-alone I-35 shields (sometimes paired with another highway), as well as new stand-alone 110/CKC shields.  I remember thinking it was strange that they were not mounted together.  But, if the plan was to remove the I-35 signs, I guess it makes sense.  The last time I drove through there was February.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #83 on: June 27, 2012, 09:52:48 AM »

I remember seeing old stand-alone I-35 shields (sometimes paired with another highway), as well as new stand-alone 110/CKC shields.  I remember thinking it was strange that they were not mounted together.  But, if the plan was to remove the I-35 signs, I guess it makes sense.  The last time I drove through there was February.

I think it's a dumb idea, myself.  This is something I expect from AHTD, not MoDOT.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2012, 10:33:09 AM »

I remember seeing old stand-alone I-35 shields (sometimes paired with another highway), as well as new stand-alone 110/CKC shields.  I remember thinking it was strange that they were not mounted together.  But, if the plan was to remove the I-35 signs, I guess it makes sense.  The last time I drove through there was February.

I think it's a dumb idea, myself.  This is something I expect from AHTD, not MoDOT.

Maybe MODOT is finally recognizing that stretch is substandard and not worthy of an Interstate shield??  <dodging brickbats>

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2012, 10:47:01 AM »

Driving from KC, why would a person choose to cut north from Hannibal to [toll] I-88, rather than continue east to [free] I-55?  In my experience, heavy traffic is less of a problem on I-55 than on I-80, so there would be less reason to avoid it.  Going the I-55 way is also about 25 miles shorter than taking the CKC up to I-88.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2012, 06:51:38 PM »

Are you kidding me??  Am I reading this right:  MoDOT actually took down the I-35 shields??  I mean.... ASDJILFBSDFJBD!! [there is no appropriate emoticon for my feeling]

To my knowledge, yes, they removed the I-35 shields on the CKC overlap. I left a message (and photo) on the MoDOT's KC Region Facebook page, but no one has responded. I may have to write them about this.

I just drove route from KC to Chillicothe, and realized it's no big deal if the I-35 reassurance markers aren't there anymore, since I-35 is signed on the mileposts every 0.2 miles the entire way.  It would be pretty hard to miss the fact that you're on I-35...
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2013, 10:52:44 PM »

Are you kidding me??  Am I reading this right:  MoDOT actually took down the I-35 shields??  I mean.... ASDJILFBSDFJBD!! [there is no appropriate emoticon for my feeling]

The January 9 weekly road crew chat on the St. Louis Post-Dispatch website indicates that MoDOT may be up to the same interstate shield removing shenanigans on I-44 west of I-270, and may only be having reassurance shields for US 50 now.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2013, 03:45:59 PM »

Are you kidding me??  Am I reading this right:  MoDOT actually took down the I-35 shields??  I mean.... ASDJILFBSDFJBD!! [there is no appropriate emoticon for my feeling]

The January 9 weekly road crew chat on the St. Louis Post-Dispatch website indicates that MoDOT may be up to the same interstate shield removing shenanigans on I-44 west of I-270, and may only be having reassurance shields for US 50 now.

I still don't see how this makes any sense.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2013, 09:05:58 PM »

Could it be that the overhead BGS'/pull-throughs are deemed sufficient for the mainline Interstate, while the duplexed routes get the roadside assurance markers?
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2013, 10:59:28 AM »

Could it be that the overhead BGS'/pull-throughs are deemed sufficient for the mainline Interstate, while the duplexed routes get the roadside assurance markers?

As I said:  I-35, at least, is marked on mileposts every 0.2 miles for the entire length of the CKC portion.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2013, 12:09:52 PM »

Could it be that the overhead BGS'/pull-throughs are deemed sufficient for the mainline Interstate, while the duplexed routes get the roadside assurance markers?
As I said:  I-35, at least, is marked on mileposts every 0.2 miles for the entire length of the CKC portion.

That's it.  Here's their answer.

Last week I had a question about why the I-44 shields were being removed from the posts. The reason is that we have an I-44 shield on the new mile marker signs. We post a mile marker every two-tenths mile. On that marker it has the I-44 shield and which direction you are going in. These mile markers are designed to help motorists when calling 911 give their location to emergency responders. Overall we are trying to reduce our sign inventory so the decision was made that we don't need the I-44 shield on the mile marker and on an additional sign post. There are portions of I-44 that are also designed US Route 50 and that is why you still see that sign by itself along the side of the road.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2013, 09:42:58 PM »

I'm sorry but I think that is a really cheap and dumb reason for not having a "normal" size I-35 or I-44 sign after each exit like every other interstate highway in the country.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2013, 10:20:45 PM »

I wonder which signs are more apt to get taken out by accidents and snowplows and whatnot - mile markers or the roadside assurance markers?

Know another way to reduce your sign inventory? Uni-signs.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2013, 11:03:42 PM »

I wonder if one could get FHWA to force MoDOT to resign the affected sections of I-44 and I-35?

EDIT:  I wonder how long before MoDOT goes with this policy on I-49?  The whole thing is cosigned with US 71.

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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2013, 12:17:25 PM »

I wonder which signs are more apt to get taken out by accidents and snowplows and whatnot - mile markers or the roadside assurance markers?

Know another way to reduce your sign inventory? Uni-signs.

A tried and true approach by WisDOT.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2013, 12:58:33 PM »

Know another way to reduce your sign inventory? Uni-signs.

not by total area, which is fairly linear to cost/space occupied in the warehouse/etc.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2013, 02:16:23 PM »

Know another way to reduce your sign inventory? Uni-signs.

not by total area, which is fairly linear to cost/space occupied in the warehouse/etc.

I think by "inventory" they mean signs that the DOT owns out in the field.

My office has been removing route markers in certain places. I think it's a poor practice. Reading this thread, now I know what they've been talking about in monthly reports when they refer to "sign inventory reduction." All this while I thought they were getting rid of uninstalled signs in our Traffic garage.
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Re: New Chicago-Kansas City initiative?
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2013, 09:16:10 PM »

I know the mile markers have shields on them, but they are called reassurance markers for a reason. Since they are an Interstate Highway, the roads should be signed in the same way state to state, including reassurance markers.
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