NYC Congestion Pricing

[Max Rockatansky]

Like it or not, I would be very surprised if zone charges aren't implemented elsewhere in the future.

I could see it happening in somewhere like Portland, San Francisco or Seattle. Maybe even Denver. But I'm still skeptical that it's gonna happen anytime soon in another US city New York City is a different beast altogether.

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America. What would be nice if New Yorkers will get together and put it into it but that's obviously not gonna happen.

San Francisco has proposed a congestion tolls before in the downtown area:

https://www.sfcta.org/downtown

[kphoger]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

[Max Rockatansky]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

Sometimes I wonder if many of the forum members even realize how much tolling in Mexico on Autopistas is a thing?  The rates can be astronomically high compared to what a lot of locals make. 

[Plutonic Panda]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

You know I thought about it. I just don't know enough about the politics or whether people in Mexico City would support something like that. And I mean, how would you even define Mexico cities urban center that's like one of them largest sprawling cities I can think of other than Tokyo or Jakarta.

It's easier to do it in a city like Montreal, where you have a somewhat definitive urban center. But I wouldn't see something like that flying in a city like Calgary where the majority of people drive and they're going pretty gung hoe on road expansion projects.

Ironically, the funny thing about a lot of American cities is they have pretty definitive urban sinners because of the freeways that were built around them so it wouldn't be too hard to implement congestion, pricing in a lot of these cities

[Plutonic Panda]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

Sometimes I wonder if many of the forum members even realize how much tolling in Mexico on Autopistas is a thing?  The rates can be astronomically high compared to what a lot of locals make. 

Not from experience, but I'm very aware of the astronomical tolling culture in Mexico and also those massive speed bumps settled basically destroy your car if you're not careful going over them. Funny enough if I can find this video there's a guy who moved his family to Mexico and he disagrees with their towing thing so he decides to drive through one of the towing booth and he just drives right through the gate and I don't know if it's a police officer or what but he smashes his window. I'll post it here in a little bit. It's a pretty funny video.

[Plutonic Panda]

Like it or not, I would be very surprised if zone charges aren't implemented elsewhere in the future.

I could see it happening in somewhere like Portland, San Francisco or Seattle. Maybe even Denver. But I'm still skeptical that it's gonna happen anytime soon in another US city New York City is a different beast altogether.

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America. What would be nice if New Yorkers will get together and put it into it but that's obviously not gonna happen.

San Francisco has proposed a congestion tolls before in the downtown area:

https://www.sfcta.org/downtown

Yeah, I had heard about that. Was there ever any reason why they didn't implement it?

[Max Rockatansky]

Like it or not, I would be very surprised if zone charges aren't implemented elsewhere in the future.

I could see it happening in somewhere like Portland, San Francisco or Seattle. Maybe even Denver. But I'm still skeptical that it's gonna happen anytime soon in another US city New York City is a different beast altogether.

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America. What would be nice if New Yorkers will get together and put it into it but that's obviously not gonna happen.

San Francisco has proposed a congestion tolls before in the downtown area:

https://www.sfcta.org/downtown

Yeah, I had heard about that. Was there ever any reason why they didn't implement it?

From what I recall it lost a lot of supporters during the COVID pandemic and emergence of report work.  The current Federal administration would never allow the FHWA to approve it.  I don't think it will be brought up again until there is a Democratic in the Executive Branch. 

[kphoger]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

You know I thought about it. I just don't know enough about the politics or whether people in Mexico City would support something like that. And I mean, how would you even define Mexico cities urban center ...

I specifically mentioned Mexico City because they already have a program that prohibits nearly 20% of local passenger vehicles from driving on any given weekday.

English:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoy_No_Circula
Spanish:  https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoy_No_Circula

[Plutonic Panda]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

You know I thought about it. I just don't know enough about the politics or whether people in Mexico City would support something like that. And I mean, how would you even define Mexico cities urban center ...

I specifically mentioned Mexico City because they already have a program that prohibits nearly 20% of local passenger vehicles from driving on any given weekday.

English:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoy_No_Circula
Spanish:  https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoy_No_Circula

I see yes I have heard about something like that depending on your license plate, right?

[ElishaGOtis]

I think it's more likely to happen in Canada than anywhere else in North America.

Even Mexico City?

You know I thought about it. I just don't know enough about the politics or whether people in Mexico City would support something like that. And I mean, how would you even define Mexico cities urban center that's like one of them largest sprawling cities I can think of other than Tokyo or Jakarta.

It's easier to do it in a city like Montreal, where you have a somewhat definitive urban center. But I wouldn't see something like that flying in a city like Calgary where the majority of people drive and they're going pretty gung hoe on road expansion projects.

Ironically, the funny thing about a lot of American cities is they have pretty definitive urban sinners because of the freeways that were built around them so it wouldn't be too hard to implement congestion, pricing in a lot of these cities

Wasn't Montreal toying around with the idea of a Low-Emission Zone? 

[RobbieL2415]

Important to know that while Mexico City does have rapid transit, there is essentially zero commuter rail to outer municipalities or to other states.

[kphoger]

Important to know that while Mexico City does have rapid transit, there is essentially zero commuter rail to outer municipalities or to other states.

For those not aware, Mexico City has suburban rail, but there is only one existing line.

Most of Nezahualcóyotl (pop. > 1M) has no rail connection.
Metro barely makes it into Naucalpan (pop. >800k) city limits, with no other rail connection.
Texcoco and all its surrounding towns have zero rail connection.
Et cetera.

There is a second line in the works, but it's a branch route from the existing one out to AIFA (airport).

In 2024, President Sheinbaum announced a new passenger train between Mexico City and Pachuca but, again, that's in the same general direction as the airport—just farther out.

[The Ghostbuster]

Maybe people should accept that congestion pricing in New York City is here to stay: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-judge-says-trump-effort-to-end-new-york-city-congestion-pricing-unlawful/ar-AA1Xszd0?ocid=BingNewsBrowse.

[Rothman]

Maybe people should accept that congestion pricing in New York City is here to stay: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-judge-says-trump-effort-to-end-new-york-city-congestion-pricing-unlawful/ar-AA1Xszd0?ocid=BingNewsBrowse.

Who wasn't accepting it after the past three months since the last post in this thread?