New Minnesota Flag

[Molandfreak]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

[Max Rockatansky]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

[kphoger]

Pray tell, what do you think the point of state flags even is?

In the case of Minnesota specifically, its purpose was to represent the state at its exhibit in the Chicago World's Fair.  After a public contest, the committee decided on the state shield on a 'bedsheet', plus some embellishments.

[Molandfreak]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

So now we went from flags to monuments marking boundaries, and now we're on the topic of antiquated royal traditions. How exactly did we get here?

[kphoger]

How exactly did we get here?

Should have made a left turn at Albuquerque.

[Molandfreak]

Apparently these are the equivalent of a royal standard.

[PColumbus73]

I don't see the issue with the new Minnesota flag. Why is a stink being raised about this one and not the new Mississippi or Utah flags? I'd rather have the palmetto flag in South Carolina over some seal on a bedsheet.

[kphoger]

I don't see the issue with the new Minnesota flag. Why is a stink being raised about this one and not the new Mississippi or Utah flags? I'd rather have the palmetto flag in South Carolina over some seal on a bedsheet.

Mississippi's and Utah's new flags are pretty cool.  I still don't think a state flag needs to be cool, but those two are cool.  The magnolia and the beehive are iconic symbols of those states, and they feature prominently on the flags.  Minnesota's flag, on the other hand, which I guess is supposed to uniquely represent the state's identity, screams to the world:  We have stars!  Like, umm, OK...?

[Max Rockatansky]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

So now we went from flags to monuments marking boundaries, and now we're on the topic of antiquated royal traditions. How exactly did we get here?

You revived the thread after two years, that's how.

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.  I'm just trying to kill time at work and you're the one taking this thread way too seriously.

[Molandfreak]

I don't see the issue with the new Minnesota flag. Why is a stink being raised about this one and not the new Mississippi or Utah flags? I'd rather have the palmetto flag in South Carolina over some seal on a bedsheet.

Mississippi's and Utah's new flags are pretty cool.  I still don't think a state flag needs to be cool, but those two are cool.  The magnolia and the beehive are iconic symbols of those states, and they feature prominently on the flags.  Minnesota's flag, on the other hand, which I guess is supposed to uniquely represent the state's identity, screams to the world:  We have stars!  Like, umm, OK...?

Which is why I was initially skeptical of the idea. But along with the blandness came creativity. You can buy a flag exactly like the one @LilianaUwU posted! You can buy flags with loons, moose, or practically anything else you want in that light blue space! Heck, nobody seems to have figured out that you can stick the Gadsden snake in there and piss everyone off.

[Molandfreak]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

So now we went from flags to monuments marking boundaries, and now we're on the topic of antiquated royal traditions. How exactly did we get here?

You revived the thread after two years, that's how.

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.  I'm just trying to kill time at work and you're the one taking this thread way too seriously.

I don't know what to tell you. If you don't like the way I'm posting here, you're free to just ignore me.

I thought I had made my position clear that I didn't even mind the old flag. Many Ojibwe, Dakota, and Hocąk people living here didn't mind it either. Nonetheless, I thought that a redesign was a decent opportunity to get something that stood out. The only thing I hate is that now the old flag is some status symbol to stick it to the libs, ignoring the fact that it was previously was flown under multiple governments without issue AND the process used to change it was the same that was used in 1983.

[kphoger]

piss everyone off

Sounds good to me.  Here goes.

[Max Rockatansky]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

So now we went from flags to monuments marking boundaries, and now we're on the topic of antiquated royal traditions. How exactly did we get here?

You revived the thread after two years, that's how.

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.  I'm just trying to kill time at work and you're the one taking this thread way too seriously.

I don't know what to tell you. If you don't like the way I'm posting here, you're free to just ignore me.

I thought I had made my position clear that I didn't even mind the old flag. Many Ojibwe, Dakota, and Hocąk people living here didn't mind it either. Nonetheless, I thought that a redesign was a decent opportunity to get something that stood out. The only thing I hate is that now the old flag is some status symbol to stick it to the libs, ignoring the fact that it was previously was flown under multiple governments without issue AND the process used to change it was the same that was used in 1983.

I was just curious as to what your misgivings actually were given your post that revived the thread was vague.  I don't exactly keep up with what goes on in Minnesota day to day.  I don't know why you expound further back on Page 4. 

I'm certainly gathering from a couple posters (including yourself) that the flag issue in Minnesota is now politically charged.  That said, I'm finding your taking exception to me not really caring much about flag traditions as kind of a contradiction.  I think would be fair to say that there are certainly people in Minnesota who probably prefer the older state flag because they like tradition. 

Again, I want to emphasize that I have a dog in the fight for the Minnesota flag game.  From what people have told me I can see why the flag was changed but I can also understand why others don't like it. 

[TheHighwayMan3561]

The only thing I hate is that now the old flag is some status symbol to stick it to the libs, ignoring the fact that it was previously was flown under multiple governments without issue AND the process used to change it was the same that was used in 1983.

While there had been occasional public pockets of discontent about the new flag throughout the last three years, I think the more recent surge in cities voting on which one to display is about which side they want to present themselves as being on related to the recent events in MSP.

[Rothman]

Max has a dog?

[kphoger]

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.

What about the California flag?  Barely a dozen years after the Bear Flag was adopted, the last California grizzly was hunted to extinction.  Should the state flag include something that's actually existed in the state within the last hundred years?

[Max Rockatansky]

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.

What about the California flag?  Barely a dozen years after the Bear Flag was adopted, the last California grizzly was hunted to extinction.  Should the state flag include something that's actually existed in the state within the last hundred years?

I kind of dig the New California Republic flags from the Fallout games and TV show.  The two-headed mutant bear is more of sharp look than it has any business being.

But to answer your question, it really doesn't matter to me what California does with their state flag.  I'm more invested regarding the fate of the G26 US Route shields by a considerable margin. 

[kphoger]

Heck, nobody seems to have figured out that you can stick the Gadsden snake in there and piss everyone off.

https://www.reddit.com/r/graphic_design/comments/18n4l1q/the_funny_folks_of_minnesota_state_flag_redesign/#lightbox

Full collection of submissions here:  https://serc.mnhs.org/flags

Some of them are hilarious.  F119 is still one of my favorites.

[Max Rockatansky]

Max has a dog?

I wonder what would happen if I gave the four of them a Minnesota flag squeak toy.

Edit: apparently this is actually a thing that I can test if I co-opt something from an infants toy catalog:

https://babyjackandcompany.com/products/minnesota-state-tag-toy-crinkle-square-that-teaches-facts

[Molandfreak]

That is something I've often wondered myself.  Having state or city flags in modern times in the United States seems a little pointless to me.  The idea of American states being akin to something like an actual standalone fully independent nation is a pretty much long extinct idea (despite what Texans think).

Meanwhile in Canada, many provinces have giant welcome monuments with flags instead of the simple welcome signs that we use.

Yeah but I'd expect something like that from Canada given how British-centric it is.  Kyle's observations on Mexico are giving me the vibe that there is something similar afoot in the United States with flags. 

Uhh, so it's ok for the British to do it, but not anyone else?

I don't catch many relatives in Mexico really trying to hang onto Imperial Spanish traditions. 

So now we went from flags to monuments marking boundaries, and now we're on the topic of antiquated royal traditions. How exactly did we get here?

You revived the thread after two years, that's how.

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.  I'm just trying to kill time at work and you're the one taking this thread way too seriously.

I don't know what to tell you. If you don't like the way I'm posting here, you're free to just ignore me.

I thought I had made my position clear that I didn't even mind the old flag. Many Ojibwe, Dakota, and Hocąk people living here didn't mind it either. Nonetheless, I thought that a redesign was a decent opportunity to get something that stood out. The only thing I hate is that now the old flag is some status symbol to stick it to the libs, ignoring the fact that it was previously was flown under multiple governments without issue AND the process used to change it was the same that was used in 1983.

I was just curious as to what your misgivings actually were given your post that revived the thread was vague.  I don't exactly keep up with what goes on in Minnesota day to day.  I don't know why you expound further back on Page 4. 

I'm certainly gathering from a couple posters (including yourself) that the flag issue in Minnesota is now politically charged.  That said, I'm finding your taking exception to me not really caring much about flag traditions as kind of a contradiction.  I think would be fair to say that there are certainly people in Minnesota who probably prefer the older state flag because they like tradition. 

Again, I want to emphasize that I have a dog in the fight for the Minnesota flag game.  From what people have told me I can see why the flag was changed but I can also understand why others don't like it. 

Originally, I just needed to vent and I recognize that this isn't really the appropriate venue to do so. But the thing is I do love studying history—it's why I commonly have a replica First Minnesota Volunteer Regiment Civil War pin on my lapel  during occasions when I need to wear a suit.

I just don't think it needed to be this big of a deal, and certainly not a big enough deal to become yet another symbol of political division. If a municipality wanted to fly the old flag, the ethical way to do it is to fly both.

[GaryV]

Max has a dog?

Max is a dog. Who sometimes impersonates a reindeer.

[Scott5114]

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.

What about the California flag?  Barely a dozen years after the Bear Flag was adopted, the last California grizzly was hunted to extinction.  Should the state flag include something that's actually existed in the state within the last hundred years?

I think it would be better if someone released tremendous amounts of bears to make the state match the flag instead.

[Max Rockatansky]

To be clear, I don't really care all that much about flags one way or another.

What about the California flag?  Barely a dozen years after the Bear Flag was adopted, the last California grizzly was hunted to extinction.  Should the state flag include something that's actually existed in the state within the last hundred years?

I think it would be better if someone released tremendous amounts of bears to make the state match the flag instead.

They would need to be grizzlies specifically since they are what went extinct.  We have plenty of black bears to go around.  Two headed grizzlies would be a bonus though.

[CtrlAltDel]

But when you're making a flag, or any other symbol to rally around, you don't want intricacy!

Well, some people do, the Venetians, for instance:

[kphoger]

But when you're making a flag, or any other symbol to rally around, you don't want intricacy!

Well, some people do, the Venetians, for instance:

I would totally rally around such flags as these:

↓  Kingdom of Sikkim  ↓


↓  Peter I (the Great)  ↓


↓  Central Province, Sri Lanka (current)  ↓