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I think US/State Highways should be signed through national parks.

Started by Roadgeekteen, September 19, 2025, 06:36:17 PM

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kphoger

I, for one, don't see why a highway that isn't actually a US Route needs to be signed as a US Route.

If the NPS needs to pick a route for US-20 through Yellowstone and sign it within the park, then let them sign it with National Park route shields.  There's nothing stopping them from designing them and using them.

Quote from: MUTCD, 11th EditionChapter 2D — Guide Signs — Conventional Roads
Section 2D.11 — Design of Route Signs

Standard:

01 — The design of standard route signs shall conform to the designs provided in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication (see Section 1A.05). The design of other route signs shall be established by the authority having jurisdiction and shall be in general conformance with the designs provided in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication.

17 — The design of the National Forest Route (M1-7) sign (see Figure 2D-4) shall be as detailed in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication (see Section 1A.05). Route signs for other park and forest roads shall be designed with an appropriate level of distinctiveness and adequate legibility, but in general compliance with the design principles for route signs and of a size compatible with other route signs used in common assemblies.

It would pretty simple to just modify the M1-7 sign, perhaps like this:


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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: kphoger on Today at 10:20:28 AMI, for one, don't see why a highway that isn't actually a US Route needs to be signed as a US Route.

If the NPS needs to sign US-20 within Yellowstone, then let them sign it with National Park route shields.  There's nothing stopping them from designing them and using them.

Quote from: MUTCD, 11th EditionChapter 2D — Guide Signs — Conventional Roads
Section 2D.11 — Design of Route Signs

Standard:

01 — The design of standard route signs shall conform to the designs provided in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication (see Section 1A.05). The design of other route signs shall be established by the authority having jurisdiction and shall be in general conformance with the designs provided in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication.

17 — The design of the National Forest Route (M1-7) sign (see Figure 2D-4) shall be as detailed in the "Standard Highway Signs" publication (see Section 1A.05). Route signs for other park and forest roads shall be designed with an appropriate level of distinctiveness and adequate legibility, but in general compliance with the design principles for route signs and of a size compatible with other route signs used in common assemblies.

It would pretty simple to just modify the M1-7 sign, perhaps like this:


US Highways were federally designed, National Parks are federal lands, and other roads exist through national parks (I-90 in TR National park) no different than signing a locally maintained road a state highway number.
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mgk920

Quote from: GaryV on September 21, 2025, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 21, 2025, 12:12:36 PMdoes any numbered highway enter the boundaries of Cuyahoga Valley N.P. in Ohio?

Um, yeah. I-80 and I-271 for example.

IIRC, the park's borders were drawn so that those roads are outside of it.

Mike

jlam

Quote from: mgk920 on Today at 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 21, 2025, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on September 21, 2025, 12:12:36 PMdoes any numbered highway enter the boundaries of Cuyahoga Valley N.P. in Ohio?

Um, yeah. I-80 and I-271 for example.

IIRC, the park's borders were drawn so that those roads are outside of it.

Mike

Yup, looks like that's the case. But I-40 goes right through Petrified Forest NP

kphoger

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:00:56 PMUS Highways were federally designed

I don't think that's true.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:00:56 PMUS highways are federal lands

I don't think that's true.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:00:56 PMother roads exist through national parks

Right, but I'm talking about a route that doesn't exist within the national park.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:00:56 PMno different than signing a locally maintained road a state highway number.

I wasn't talking about maintenance at all.  I was talking about route deisgnations.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Roadgeekteen

I am aware that US 20 officially has a gap through Yellowstone. My point is that it shouldn't. I meant to say that national parks are federal land.
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Roadgeekteen

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:06:50 PMI am aware that US 20 officially has a gap through Yellowstone. My point is that it shouldn't have a gap. I meant to say that national parks are federal land.
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kphoger

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:06:50 PMI am aware that US 20 officially has a gap through Yellowstone. My point is that it shouldn't have a gap. I meant to say that national parks are federal land.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: kphoger on Today at 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:06:50 PMI am aware that US 20 officially has a gap through Yellowstone. My point is that it shouldn't have a gap. I meant to say that national parks are federal land.


kphoger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on Today at 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: kphoger on Today at 12:09:30 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:07:16 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on Today at 12:06:50 PMI am aware that US 20 officially has a gap through Yellowstone. My point is that it shouldn't have a gap like that. I meant to say that national parks are federal land but I didn't.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.