ABC, CBS, FOX & NBC Have Lost More Than 77% Of Their Market Share

[JayhawkCO]

Fair to say after ballparking my numbers that Beltway wouldn't want to date me. That's a relief.

Something we can all aspire to.

Which?  Having him want to date us, or having him not want to date us?  The former seems like a higher bar to clear.

My goal is now to eliminate the possibility of Beltway ever dating me by fucking as much of the Las Vegas Valley as possible.

Just takes a lot of money or a lot of meth.

[GaryV]

It pleases me greatly to work "impleasable" into conversations

Does that mean it is unimpleasable?

[formulanone]

"I have a very large tattoo of a wood stork fighting a pine martin over a game of rummikub with mysterious symbols representing the symbolic nature of meaningless noise in the dust of the newborn universe while I yearn for silence in the center of the infinite shouting, but entirely carried by a tortoise balanced on a pin head" line oughta work.

[kphoger]

My goal is now to eliminate the possibility of Beltway ever dating me by fucking as much of the Las Vegas Valley as possible.

Or you could just tell him no.

[Max Rockatansky]

My goal is now to eliminate the possibility of Beltway ever dating me by fucking as much of the Las Vegas Valley as possible.

Or you could just tell him no.

Where is the fun in that?

[kphoger]

My goal is now to eliminate the possibility of Beltway ever dating me by fucking as much of the Las Vegas Valley as possible.

Or you could just tell him no.

Where is the fun in that?

He could do it in an Achmed the Dead Terrorist voice..?

[SSOWorld]

My goal is now to eliminate the possibility of Beltway ever dating me by fucking as much of the Las Vegas Valley as possible.

Or you could just tell him no.

Where is the fun in that?

He could do it in an Achmed the Dead Terrorist voice..?

[roadman65]

People love Social media for news despite its all click bait and lies, but most of all just like the checkout tabloids.

Then you have one of the major networks that was involved in many lawsuits for reporting false stories.  Plus each now in modern times leans one way or the other on the political spectrum instead of reporting events.  Some seem to have commentators rather than give it to you for you to know as journalism is supposed to be.

[Bobby5280]

It's largely the general public's own fault news programming on American TV channels has turned into anger pornography. These media companies are literally giving us what we want.

News programming used to be a money-losing public service. Decades ago media tycoons, like Rupert Murdoch in particular, took notice of how much more TV viewers were engaged by the sight of two people debating each other in the studio. The "Point/Counterpoint" segment on "60 minutes" was reportedly inspired by the 1968 DNC Convention debate between Gore Vidal and William Buckley. "Saturday Night Live" famously parodied the format with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin debating each other and Dan saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Murdoch also saw the growing popularity of opinion-based radio programs, such as the one Rush Limbaugh aired. Fox News grew out of that.

CNN was the first 24/7 cable news network, but spent its first decade not learning the same things Murdoch figured out. CNN quickly fell behind after Fox News was launched. Today most 24/7 cable news networks have to copy the Fox News formula to some degree. News viewers prefer hearing opinion, spin and even lies more than hearing boring, dispassionate journalism.

Social media and podcasts are only taking the anger pornography thing farther. Standards are lower, people on these shows can use profanity and say even more inflammatory things than what cable TV will allow.

Ultimately all this shit will get intense enough that most normal people will avoid any "news" related programming altogether just to avoid the fucking stress. Maybe that's the ultimate goal. It's easier for government and elites to rule over an uninformed, disengaged public.

[Molandfreak]

It's largely the general public's own fault news programming on American TV channels has turned into anger pornography. These media companies are literally giving us what we want.

News programming used to be a money-losing public service. Decades ago media tycoons, like Rupert Murdoch in particular, took notice of how much more TV viewers were engaged by the sight of two people debating each other in the studio. The "Point/Counterpoint" segment on "60 minutes" was reportedly inspired by the 1968 DNC Convention debate between Gore Vidal and William Buckley. "Saturday Night Live" famously parodied the format with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin debating each other and Dan saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Murdoch also saw the growing popularity of opinion-based radio programs, such as the one Rush Limbaugh aired. Fox News grew out of that.

CNN was the first 24/7 cable news network, but spent its first decade not learning the same things Murdoch figured out. CNN quickly fell behind after Fox News was launched. Today most 24/7 cable news networks have to copy the Fox News formula to some degree. News viewers prefer hearing opinion, spin and even lies more than hearing boring, dispassionate journalism.

Social media and podcasts are only taking the anger pornography thing farther. Standards are lower, people on these shows can use profanity and say even more inflammatory things than what cable TV will allow.

Ultimately all this shit will get intense enough that most normal people will avoid any "news" related programming altogether just to avoid the fucking stress. Maybe that's the ultimate goal. It's easier for government and elites to rule over an uninformed, disengaged public.

It's literally unavoidable at this point, at least as long as C-SPAN continues to take viewer calls without proper vetting.

[Rothman]

It's largely the general public's own fault news programming on American TV channels has turned into anger pornography. These media companies are literally giving us what we want.

News programming used to be a money-losing public service. Decades ago media tycoons, like Rupert Murdoch in particular, took notice of how much more TV viewers were engaged by the sight of two people debating each other in the studio. The "Point/Counterpoint" segment on "60 minutes" was reportedly inspired by the 1968 DNC Convention debate between Gore Vidal and William Buckley. "Saturday Night Live" famously parodied the format with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin debating each other and Dan saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Murdoch also saw the growing popularity of opinion-based radio programs, such as the one Rush Limbaugh aired. Fox News grew out of that.

CNN was the first 24/7 cable news network, but spent its first decade not learning the same things Murdoch figured out. CNN quickly fell behind after Fox News was launched. Today most 24/7 cable news networks have to copy the Fox News formula to some degree. News viewers prefer hearing opinion, spin and even lies more than hearing boring, dispassionate journalism.

Social media and podcasts are only taking the anger pornography thing farther. Standards are lower, people on these shows can use profanity and say even more inflammatory things than what cable TV will allow.

Ultimately all this shit will get intense enough that most normal people will avoid any "news" related programming altogether just to avoid the fucking stress. Maybe that's the ultimate goal. It's easier for government and elites to rule over an uninformed, disengaged public.

Poor MacNeil/Lehrer...

[wxfree]

It's largely the general public's own fault news programming on American TV channels has turned into anger pornography. These media companies are literally giving us what we want.

News programming used to be a money-losing public service. Decades ago media tycoons, like Rupert Murdoch in particular, took notice of how much more TV viewers were engaged by the sight of two people debating each other in the studio. The "Point/Counterpoint" segment on "60 minutes" was reportedly inspired by the 1968 DNC Convention debate between Gore Vidal and William Buckley. "Saturday Night Live" famously parodied the format with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin debating each other and Dan saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Murdoch also saw the growing popularity of opinion-based radio programs, such as the one Rush Limbaugh aired. Fox News grew out of that.

CNN was the first 24/7 cable news network, but spent its first decade not learning the same things Murdoch figured out. CNN quickly fell behind after Fox News was launched. Today most 24/7 cable news networks have to copy the Fox News formula to some degree. News viewers prefer hearing opinion, spin and even lies more than hearing boring, dispassionate journalism.

Social media and podcasts are only taking the anger pornography thing farther. Standards are lower, people on these shows can use profanity and say even more inflammatory things than what cable TV will allow.

Ultimately all this shit will get intense enough that most normal people will avoid any "news" related programming altogether just to avoid the fucking stress. Maybe that's the ultimate goal. It's easier for government and elites to rule over an uninformed, disengaged public.

Each cable news subscriber should get, for their own good:

1.  A subscription to their local newspaper, or the nearest one to their area

and

2. A subscription to the nearest major newspaper, unless they live in the big city and get that one as their local paper, in which case they also get smaller local newspaper or one from a smaller town in their region.

The goal is to eventually expand this to every household, but we'll start with the ones who need it the most, the cable news viewers.

[The_Ginger]

It's largely the general public's own fault news programming on American TV channels has turned into anger pornography. These media companies are literally giving us what we want.

News programming used to be a money-losing public service. Decades ago media tycoons, like Rupert Murdoch in particular, took notice of how much more TV viewers were engaged by the sight of two people debating each other in the studio. The "Point/Counterpoint" segment on "60 minutes" was reportedly inspired by the 1968 DNC Convention debate between Gore Vidal and William Buckley. "Saturday Night Live" famously parodied the format with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin debating each other and Dan saying, "Jane, you ignorant slut." Murdoch also saw the growing popularity of opinion-based radio programs, such as the one Rush Limbaugh aired. Fox News grew out of that.

CNN was the first 24/7 cable news network, but spent its first decade not learning the same things Murdoch figured out. CNN quickly fell behind after Fox News was launched. Today most 24/7 cable news networks have to copy the Fox News formula to some degree. News viewers prefer hearing opinion, spin and even lies more than hearing boring, dispassionate journalism.

Social media and podcasts are only taking the anger pornography thing farther. Standards are lower, people on these shows can use profanity and say even more inflammatory things than what cable TV will allow.

Ultimately all this shit will get intense enough that most normal people will avoid any "news" related programming altogether just to avoid the fucking stress. Maybe that's the ultimate goal. It's easier for government and elites to rule over an uninformed, disengaged public.

Each cable news subscriber should get, for their own good:

1.  A subscription to their local newspaper, or the nearest one to their area

and

2. A subscription to the nearest major newspaper, unless they live in the big city and get that one as their local paper, in which case they also get smaller local newspaper or one from a smaller town in their region.

The goal is to eventually expand this to every household, but we'll start with the ones who need it the most, the cable news viewers.

I don't even have cable and would happily welcome this newspaper subscription.

[ClassicHasClass]

What is this "newspaper" of which you speak?

[GaryV]

What is this "newspaper" of which you speak?

It is an ancient form of communication, valued especially by little old ladies who raised budgerigars and canaries.

[Max Rockatansky]

The local newspaper around me is owned by a publisher outside of this area.  They aren't exactly seeing eye to eye with readership in the Fresno market.  I'm not paying money for local news that isn't local.

[Scott5114]

I don't want the Review-Journal.

[ClassicHasClass]

The local newspaper around me is owned by a publisher outside of this area.  They aren't exactly seeing eye to eye with readership in the Fresno market.  I'm not paying money for local news that isn't local.

Multiple So Cal papers are owned by SCNG, and multiple Bay Area papers are owned by BANG, and SCNG and BANG are both owned by MediaNews Group, so they're basically all the same paper with some hyperlocal freelancers running around.

[wxfree]

What is this "newspaper" of which you speak?

It is an ancient form of communication, valued especially by little old ladies who raised budgerigars and canaries.

You read it while sitting on the Davenport.

The what?

You know, the Chesterfield.

/familyguyjoke

[Max Rockatansky]

The local newspaper around me is owned by a publisher outside of this area.  They aren't exactly seeing eye to eye with readership in the Fresno market.  I'm not paying money for local news that isn't local.

Multiple So Cal papers are owned by SCNG, and multiple Bay Area papers are owned by BANG, and SCNG and BANG are both owned by MediaNews Group, so they're basically all the same paper with some hyperlocal freelancers running around.

The Fresno Bee is owned by McClatchy Media Company out of New Jersey.  They make the mistake of thinking Fresno is the Bay Area for some reason (same with other Bee papers they own).  I much rather get my local news in vanilla form from yourcentralvalley.com. 

[kphoger]

I want neither cable TV nor newspapers.

[vdeane]

I don't think newspapers are immune from this trend.  And that's probably all I can say without getting political (although I will note that the UK is worse in that respect).

[Scott5114]

I don't think newspapers are immune from this trend.  And that's probably all I can say without getting political (although I will note that the UK is worse in that respect).

Thus why I don't want the Review-Journal (though I have a friend who works there, and from what he says it sounds like the owner actually takes a lighter touch than she is assumed to by the general public).

[Bobby5280]

Our local newspaper (the Lawton Constitution) turned into a sad joke over the past decade. Like many newspaper publications in small cities this one got bought and bought again by larger outfits. Late last year a more local company (Hilliary Communications) bought the paper. But I can't tell if anything has improved so far. The prior owners gutted most of the local staff. The actual page composition was being done in another state. Most of the news the paper printed was wire stories from the AP and UPI and not so much local stuff. The number of pages in the paper was reduced significantly.

Just like the 24/7 cable news channels, the most successful printed newspapers tend to be tabloid-style publications. Some newspapers still have a sense of prestige, such as the New York Times, but that's only based the publication's very long history and its location in the nation's largest city. Smaller city/town papers don't have that gravitas.