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[NE2]

This is what it sounds like when dolphins flirt.

[kphoger]

Isn't this discussion mainly about men seeking women?

No, it's about cable TV glorifying pre-marital sex and swear words.

I've dated 47 women

Ability to successfully pair bond is inversely proportional to the height of the body count.

Clearly.

[ModernDayWarrior]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

[kphoger]

standards for being pair‑bondable

She just couldn't shake it.  Couldn't cool down.  Couldn't stop wishing that he would place his strong yet gentle hand on her bare upper thigh, and then inch it ever so slowly farther upward until his thumb just barely graced the fringe of her recently trimmed pubic hair.  Good lord! she was practically vibrating with expectation!  And yet there he lay, flat on his back, arms at his sides, perfectly still and perfectly quiet, eyes closed, breathing steady.  Was he even awake?  Probably not.  But maybe.

Almost by accident, but not really by accident at all, Clare touched that forbidden fringe with her own thumb, almost to the point of tickling, and she could feel the moisture building.  Could feel her body temperature beginning to rise.  Could feel her heart beginning to beat just a little more heavily.  Oh, god, Scott, just put your hands on me already!  Feel me, fondle me, fuck me like a porn star!  She screamed this silently inside her own head.

She turned her now-flushed head toward him, stared at him in an attempt to determine if he was awake or asleep.  Decided to bore a hole in his perfectly tanned forehead with her eyes, decided to give telepathy a try.

The clock in the living room ticked.  The faucet in the bathroom dripped.  A twig from the bush out front tapped against the siding.

And then.

Then.

He opened his eyes.

"You're awake," she whispered innocently.

"I could feel you looking at me," he said.  Clare quivered.  She was practically dripping juice now from between her legs.

"I love you, Scott."  He gently kissed her earlobe.  She about lost her mind.

"Scott, my love, ..."  She turned toward him, leaned closer, put her lips to his ear, and whispered, "You meet or exceed all my personal standards for pair-bonding."

He put his hand on her thigh.

[Max Rockatansky]

I don't think that I've had that good of a laugh over a forum post since Crash_It was around.

[Scott5114]

I think it as just plain weird when in the dating world today, this question and "term" likely comes up:

"What's Your 'Body Count'"? -- The 20's equivalent of "how many notches are there on your bedpost?"

I think "notching the bedpost" is weirder, personally. Intentionally damaging a piece of furniture in this economy would be an ostentatious display of wealth.

[The_Ginger]

I don't think that I've had that good of a laugh over a forum post since Crash_It was around.

I wasn't on here when that happened, although I did read most of the saga. This is better than most of those by far.

[TheCatalyst31]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

The next time someone brings up how few women there are on this forum, I'm just going to link to this discussion.

[Max Rockatansky]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

The next time someone brings up how few women there are on this forum, I'm just going to link to this discussion.

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

[Scott5114]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

The next time someone brings up how few women there are on this forum, I'm just going to link to this discussion.

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

It's still likely to make a woman interested in the forum change her mind if she has to contemplate that she'd be sharing a space with Kozel or people like him.

[Molandfreak]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

The next time someone brings up how few women there are on this forum, I'm just going to link to this discussion.

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

Well to be completely honest, letting a few bad apples be a few bad apples isn't the point. If MGTOW and related topics go entirely without scrutiny, the space starts to feel unsafe for those affected. Women become targets for harassment or abuse and stop participating because the space doesn't feel safe for them.

[Beltway]

She just couldn't shake it.  Couldn't cool down.  Couldn't stop wishing that he would place his strong yet gentle hand on her bare upper thigh, and then inch it ever so slowly farther upward until his thumb just barely graced the fringe of her recently trimmed pubic hair.  Good lord! she was practically vibrating with expectation!  And yet there he lay, flat on his back, arms at his sides, perfectly still and perfectly quiet, eyes closed, breathing steady.  Was he even awake?  Probably not.  But maybe.

Almost by accident, but not really by accident at all, Clare touched that forbidden fringe with her own thumb, almost to the point of tickling, and she could feel the moisture building.  Could feel her body temperature beginning to rise.  Could feel her heart beginning to beat just a little more heavily.  Oh, god, Scott, just put your hands on me already!  Feel me, fondle me, fuck me like a porn star!  She screamed this silently inside her own head.

She turned her now-flushed head toward him, stared at him in an attempt to determine if he was awake or asleep.  Decided to bore a hole in his perfectly tanned forehead with her eyes, decided to give telepathy a try.

The clock in the living room ticked.  The faucet in the bathroom dripped.  A twig from the bush out front tapped against the siding.

And then.

Then.

He opened his eyes.

"You're awake," she whispered innocently.

"I could feel you looking at me," he said.  Clare quivered.  She was practically dripping juice now from between her legs.

"I love you, Scott."  He gently kissed her earlobe.  She about lost her mind.

"Scott, my love, ..."  She turned toward him, leaned closer, put her lips to his ear, and whispered, "You meet or exceed all my personal standards for pair-bonding."

He put his hand on her thigh.

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

[Max Rockatansky]

I mean, people'll draw all sorts of conclusions from this type of behavior and what was revealed before this very too-late boundary was put down...

Well, I certainly know what conclusions I draw from someone who talks favorably about Men Going Their Own Way (seriously) and thinks "has been run through more times than the Holland Tunnel" is an acceptable way to talk about women (while declining to answer whether he'd view a man with the same "body count" the same way).

"Troll" is too gentle.

The next time someone brings up how few women there are on this forum, I'm just going to link to this discussion.

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

Well to be completely honest, letting a few bad apples be a few bad apples isn't the point. If MGTOW and related topics go entirely without scrutiny, the space starts to feel unsafe for those affected. Women become targets for harassment or abuse and stop participating because the space doesn't feel safe for them.

I can't envision many women who have even a slight degree of self respect being intimidated or threatened by Scott K's weak knee brand of misogyny.

[LilianaUwU]

If I told y'all about my body count, pretty sure I'd be in jail.

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

I mean, he DOES have a wife...

[Beltway]

If I told y'all about my body count, pretty sure I'd be in jail.

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

I mean, he DOES have a wife...

Being married doesn't prevent you from having extracurricular relationships and encounters.

[Beltway]

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

Well to be completely honest, letting a few bad apples be a few bad apples isn't the point. If MGTOW and related topics go entirely without scrutiny, the space starts to feel unsafe for those affected. Women become targets for harassment or abuse and stop participating because the space doesn't feel safe for them.

I can't envision many women who have even a slight degree of self respect being intimidated or threatened by Scott K's weak knee brand of misogyny.

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

Is that correct, Tom Fearer?

[Beltway]

Funny how quickly this turns into a group pile-on the moment someone pushes back against casual misandry or questions the sacred narrative.

I've never advocated harassment or abuse toward women -- full stop. Pointing out that some women have high body counts (and that it does affect pair-bonding and relationship outcomes, per studies) isn't "hate." It's pattern recognition. Pretending men and women experience the same consequences from high promiscuity is the real dishonesty.

MGTOW exists because large numbers of men have been burned by a system that often disadvantages them in family courts, dating, and culture. Dismissing that as "unsafe for women" while ignoring male suicide rates, false accusations, or declining male participation in spaces like this is classic selective empathy.

If a handful of blunt posts make the forum "feel unsafe," maybe the problem isn't the bluntness -- it's the fragility. Women (and men) who can't handle dissenting views on gender will always find somewhere else to go. That's not oppression; that's reality.

The irony is thick: you lecture about "safety" and "harassment" while openly smearing a man as worse than a "troll" simply for noticing uncomfortable realities about female promiscuity and the MGTOW reaction to it. That's not creating a welcoming space -- that's enforcing ideological conformity through character assassination.

Real safety comes from open discussion, not from shielding fragile feelings from data on divorce rates, custody bias, or the well-documented damage of the sexual revolution on both sexes. If blunt truths about modern dating make some women uncomfortable, perhaps the hobby (and society) needs more honesty, not more speech codes. Men are already walking away in droves. Driving them out faster won't fix the imbalance you claim to lament.

[Beltway]

He's wrong in the assumption that refusing to answer clarifying questions doesn't actually answer anything. 

I am not a dolphin that performs on demand.

[LilianaUwU]

If I told y'all about my body count, pretty sure I'd be in jail.

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

I mean, he DOES have a wife...

Being married doesn't prevent you from having extracurricular relationships and encounters.

It's called polyamory.

[Max Rockatansky]

I wouldn't take the attitude of Scott Kozel as gospel for how the wider hobby views women. 

Well to be completely honest, letting a few bad apples be a few bad apples isn't the point. If MGTOW and related topics go entirely without scrutiny, the space starts to feel unsafe for those affected. Women become targets for harassment or abuse and stop participating because the space doesn't feel safe for them.

I can't envision many women who have even a slight degree of self respect being intimidated or threatened by Scott K's weak knee brand of misogyny.

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

Is that correct, Tom Fearer?

Neither of our names are a secret on this forum or in this hobby.  I don't give fuck all that you used mine or when others do.

[kphoger]

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

Clare and Scott are fictional characters.  That was a work of fiction.

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

Not that I've ever been aware of.

Your own website has your full name right there on the front page, so how concerned can you really be that people call you by it?

[LilianaUwU]

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

What if their screen name is their real name?

[Beltway]

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

Not that I've ever been aware of.
Your own website has your full name right there on the front page, so how concerned can you really be that people call you by it?

My website is not linked here.

So I can call you Kyle Hoger?

[Max Rockatansky]

You're talking about Scott Nazelrod, aren't you? Fer sure.

Clare and Scott are fictional characters.  That was a work of fiction.

I thought there was at least an informal rule here that if a person has a screen name that you don't post their real name.

Not that I've ever been aware of.
Your own website has your full name right there on the front page, so how concerned can you really be that people call you by it?

My website is not linked here.

So I can call you Kyle Hoger?

Did you forget all the times you kept linking in your page in the Key Bridge threads?.

[Molandfreak]

Funny how quickly this turns into a group pile-on the moment someone pushes back against casual misandry or questions the sacred narrative.

I've never advocated harassment or abuse toward women -- full stop. Pointing out that some women have high body counts (and that it does affect pair-bonding and relationship outcomes, per studies) isn't "hate." It's pattern recognition. Pretending men and women experience the same consequences from high promiscuity is the real dishonesty.

MGTOW exists because large numbers of men have been burned by a system that often disadvantages them in family courts, dating, and culture. Dismissing that as "unsafe for women" while ignoring male suicide rates, false accusations, or declining male participation in spaces like this is classic selective empathy.

If a handful of blunt posts make the forum "feel unsafe," maybe the problem isn't the bluntness -- it's the fragility. Women (and men) who can't handle dissenting views on gender will always find somewhere else to go. That's not oppression; that's reality.

The irony is thick: you lecture about "safety" and "harassment" while openly smearing a man as worse than a "troll" simply for noticing uncomfortable realities about female promiscuity and the MGTOW reaction to it. That's not creating a welcoming space -- that's enforcing ideological conformity through character assassination.

Real safety comes from open discussion, not from shielding fragile feelings from data on divorce rates, custody bias, or the well-documented damage of the sexual revolution on both sexes. If blunt truths about modern dating make some women uncomfortable, perhaps the hobby (and society) needs more honesty, not more speech codes. Men are already walking away in droves. Driving them out faster won't fix the imbalance you claim to lament.

Casual misandry? On a forum whose membership is easily 95% male? 

You seem to have a problem with all types of free expression that women are able to do with their own bodies, which admittedly you have since walked back significantly, but that still doesn't negate the gravity of your initial statements on the manner. That effects all the women who don't meet your beauty standards or preference towards a lower amount of sexual encounters, and it's no wonder nobody wants to date you if you treat the friends of those who do meet your standards like they've been "run through more times than the Holland Tunnel."