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Dangerous by Design 2026

Started by Ned Weasel, July 14, 2026, 04:03:43 PM

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kphoger

Quote from: kphoger on July 15, 2026, 12:48:14 PMHere's my overall take on the map:

It's a fairly narrow range between 0.65 and 1.55 deaths per 100,000,000 vehicle miles for the map to be drawn with such starkly different colors.  When you make the max and min of most any map dark red and dark blue, the results are going to look like there's a stark difference between regions, even if there really isn't much of one.
Quote from: kalvado on July 15, 2026, 01:57:58 PM3x is actually quite a bit of a difference.

Only as a ratio.  But both numbers are actually pretty low.

For reference:

1.  The national average was 1.36 back in 2007, and 2003 is the first year in recent memory that the national average wouldn't be in the dark red range on that map.

2.  The 2021 national average would be the same color as Arizona and Utah in that map, which is still lower than the 2006 national average.

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kphoger

I wouldn't be surprised if the colors on that map more closely align with average vehicle age than with anything else.

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CtrlAltDel

Quote from: kphoger on July 14, 2026, 08:10:09 PMAlso, the farther south you are, the longer it stays light in the evening, so the less likely you are to be going to that store after dark to begin with.

This depends on the time of year. Generally speaking, in the winter this is true, but in the summer it is not.
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kphoger

Quote from: kphoger on July 14, 2026, 08:10:09 PMAlso, the farther south you are, the longer it stays light in the evening, so the less likely you are to be going to that store after dark to begin with.
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on July 15, 2026, 02:31:59 PMThis depends on the time of year. Generally speaking, in the winter this is true, but in the summer it is not.

Ah, yes.  But, of course, during the summer, it's light out longer anyway.

There are more days with a sunset before 6:30 PM in Minneapolis than in Springfield MO, for example.

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kphoger

Quote from: kalvado on July 14, 2026, 09:38:19 PMNorth-south exists not only for pedestrians. And please note, this is normalized per miles h although per capita looks similar
https://www.caliper.com/featured-maps/maptitude-

I drew up a quick-and-dirty line graph to illustrate what I'm talking about.  Colors correspond to the same ranges.


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kalvado

Quote from: kphoger on July 15, 2026, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: kalvado on July 14, 2026, 09:38:19 PMNorth-south exists not only for pedestrians. And please note, this is normalized per miles h although per capita looks similar
https://www.caliper.com/featured-maps/maptitude-

I drew up a quick-and-dirty line graph to illustrate what I'm talking about.  Colors correspond to the same ranges.

I don't see a good picture of the data, honestly speaking.  My impression of US data is things are mostly stable, in contrast with many other countries. I wonder if their lower numbers are achieved by fewer cars - likely better public transportation (which is a whole different topic), as little per-VMT data is shown outside of US (maybe can be dug out though). There is also a per-driver normalization, which is another can of worms (with NH and AL having more licenses than eligible people)

Looks like it may be interesting to dig to the bottom of this data mine, but I don't feel I can do that
As for increased number of pedestrian deaths.... I wonder if marijuana status is collected along with alcohol... 
 


kphoger

Quote from: kalvado on July 15, 2026, 04:57:56 PMI don't see a good picture of the data, honestly speaking.

My point was really that "red" was actually just the national average two decades ago, so forgive me if I'm not as blown away by the blue-to-red differences.

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kalvado

Quote from: kphoger on July 15, 2026, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: kalvado on July 15, 2026, 04:57:56 PMI don't see a good picture of the data, honestly speaking.

My point was really that "red" was actually just the national average two decades ago, so forgive me if I'm not as blown away by the blue-to-red differences.

Again - it is a 2x per-VMT drop over 20-30 years. Which would be more than 20% drop in total as well.
It may  be a pretty significant development after all.
I suspect that you are (like me) not getting a general sense of data trends -  and a bit frustrated over it. yet I wouldn't call the changes and variations insignificant. It's lack of useful correlations that makes it seem random.

interstatefan990

Quote from: kphoger on July 15, 2026, 02:22:48 PMI wouldn't be surprised if the colors on that map more closely align with average vehicle age than with anything else.

What does vehicle age have to do with it?

Quote from: vdeane on July 15, 2026, 12:38:55 PMLooking at the way Albuquerque is, I'm not surprised that NM is high.  WY and MT are both rural with high speeds, so it doesn't take much to get their "per 100 million" number up.  Boise is another new auto-oriented city.

The ones that really surprise me are Oregon and Utah.

Colorado has Denver, yet it's considered safer than NM according to the map.

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Why are some you surprised that New Mexico ranks low in road related anything?  The only thing it would score high on is scenery. 

vdeane

Quote from: interstatefan990 on July 15, 2026, 05:59:13 PMColorado has Denver, yet it's considered safer than NM according to the map.
Albuquerque has more stroads than most cities of its size.  As I understand it, a lot more.  And half the freeways that other cities would have are instead surface expressways with at-grades and traffic lights.  Denver is also a lot more urbanized; Albuquerque is mostly suburban sprawl, even in areas that would be urban core in any other city.
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kphoger

Quote from: interstatefan990 on July 15, 2026, 05:59:13 PMWhat does vehicle age have to do with it?

Because newer cars are better at preventing passenger deaths.

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Scott5114

Quote from: vdeane on July 15, 2026, 12:38:55 PMThere's a reason why New Urbanists call them "stroads".

The reason is because they like inventing stupid-sounding words.
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