IN SR 25 Upgrade Report

[mukade]

Also not "limited access" in the strictest sense. Newspaper journalism is in a sorry state these days.

Although access is not fully controlled, it most certainly is a limited access highway.

[NE2]

The strictest sense of limited access is not the only valid sense. Access to adjacent properties is indeed limited.

[getemngo]

Also not "limited access" in the strictest sense. Newspaper journalism is in a sorry state these days.

Although access is not fully controlled, it most certainly is a limited access highway.

What's the difference between "controlled" and "limited" access? Wikipedia makes it sound like limited is an expressway and controlled is a freeway, but Steve has explained before (not on here) how a highway can be one or the other or both.

[vtk]

I think "limited access" and "controlled access" are synonymous. Either one can be "partially" (usually meaning expressways) or "fully" (usually meaning freeways).  But I could be wrong, or there might not be just one right set of definitions.

[mobilene]

I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport.  It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway.  Weird.

[mukade]

I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport.  It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway.  Weird.

It is a little weird, but it has been that way since SR 329 was decommissioned. SR 29 is now about .25 miles shorter than it was due to the rerouting of the Logansport south bypass. The south end of the north section of SR 237 is like that as well. SR 66 cuts off to the east and a few hundred feet up the same road, SR 237 picks up.

I think "limited access" and "controlled access" are synonymous. Either one can be "partially" (usually meaning expressways) or "fully" (usually meaning freeways).  But I could be wrong, or there might not be just one right set of definitions.

I agree with that definition, but INDOT (and its predecessors) have always put up signs along the right of way of divided highways like US 30 calling them "Limited Access Highways".  US 30 is neither a freeway or expressway, but SR 25 is an expressway by any definition. It probably has more overpasses that at-grade intersections, has no traffic lights, and has two full interchanges.

[NWI_Irish96]

I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport.  It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway.  Weird.

It is a little weird, but it has been that way since SR 329 was decommissioned. SR 29 is now about .25 miles shorter than it was due to the rerouting of the Logansport south bypass. The south end of the north section of SR 237 is like that as well. SR 66 cuts off to the east and a few hundred feet up the same road, SR 237 picks up.

Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway.  Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned. 

[mukade]

Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway.  Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned. 

It makes more sense to connect to the Logansport West bypass (a divided highway carrying US 24/US 35) using INDOT's philosophy of intercity roads over local roads. From a historic perspective as well, US 35 took over the northern part of SR 29. So if you assume INDOT would take one or the other, SR 29 follows the better route.

[NWI_Irish96]

Right, except that once SR 329 was axed, the entire stretch of Burlington from the new routing of SR 29 all the way into downtown was not a signed highway.  Now that SR 25 has been rerouted, it's weird that only a very short stretch is unsigned. 

It makes more sense to connect to the Logansport West bypass (a divided highway carrying US 24/US 35) using INDOT's philosophy of intercity roads over local roads. From a historic perspective as well, US 35 took over the northern part of SR 29. So if you assume INDOT would take one or the other, SR 29 follows the better route.

I was thinking about reviving a very small section of 329.

[trafficsignal]

In INDOT's case, limited access is the term for how the property is purchased.  The R/W is purchased so that very specific breaks for access are prescribed, generally at intersections but also pre-determined driveways are allowable.  I worked on a very rural southern indiana project that was purchased as limited access, but driveways were provided at some locations.  The property owner just needs approval to make the access bigger (as in, for commercial development).  Usually, that approval is very difficult to obtain.

[mukade]

On a trip down SR 25 over the weekend, all but one of the intersecting roads has been paved and striped now. There were at least six ones that were not complete when the highway opened. The two crossover areas around Logansport are being removed, but around both, it is still one lane. The widened US 24/US 35 north from the Hoosier Heartland is also not open or complete.

The most interesting area is the eastern gateway to Delphi. It looks like that will have either a signal light or flashers. Immediately to the north of that intersection, it looks like a bridge carrying a trail will be put in. Old SR 25 in that area is also under construction so it will be interesting to see this area when all is completed in the spring.

[mukade]

The Monticello Road exit from the Logansport south bypass (westbound US 24/US 35) is open. The eastbound carriageway from Humphrey St. to the bypass has been removed, but it looks like the rest of the old highway will stay. Google maps actually shows it correctly.


Looking east at Humphrey St. in Logansport. In the distance is the bypass


Looking west from the Logansport southern bypass

Both directions of the western bypass extension (carrying US 24 and US 35) are also open with minor work left to do. SR 25 had no lane restrictions at all for the first time.

[NE2]

Holy crap signs next to grass. Got a closeup?

[hbelkins]

Here's a pic of something similar in Kentucky from a few years ago.

[mukade]

Holy crap signs next to grass. Got a closeup?

No closeup but this shows them a little better.



I suppose that is what happens when you have to rush to get the work done before winter.

[tdindy88]

I remember seeing something like that at the intersection with US 231 and SR 45/58 when they realigned US 231 for the new I-69 interchange. You could still see the signs leading up to the former intersection with US 231 traffic had to come to a stop with SR 45/58 at the gas station there. I thought I still saw those signs when I-69 opened but I'm pretty sure they are now gone.

[mukade]

On the SR 25 eastern "gateway" to Delphi (i.e. intersection with Main Street), there is a truss bridge that looks like it is ready to be lifted to cross SR 25. Presumably, this will carry the Monon High Bridge Trail.

Finishing touches continue on the newest sections of SR 25 that opened last October where erosion on the right of way is pretty evident.

[billtm]

I drove SR 29 north to Logansport on Tuesday. SR 29 is still signed to follow the Logansport Bypass. SR 25 signs are up, however, along Burlington Rd. north of the new overpass all the way into downtown Logansport.  It appears that only a very short segment of Burlington Rd. between where 29 leaves and 25 picks up, maybe 600 yards' worth, is not signed as state highway.  Weird.

Is there a sign on SR 29 that says TO NORTH SR 25 that would direct you onto that short segment?

[silverback1065]

Is the old segment of the bypass still in use or is it gone?

[mukade]

Below is a photo of the new bridge that will cross SR 25 on the east side of Delphi.

[RoadWarrior56]

There is a very old bridge on the east side of Delphi that looks like that.  I think it was called "Wilson Bridge".  It affected where the SR 25 alignment was placed.  It was a historic resourse that had to be avoided.  The truss overpass must be in commemeration of that historic bridge.  I even had a Wilson Bridge tee shirt before I wore it out.

[mukade]

The picture below was taken right next to where the bridge pictured above is. The road in the background is old SR 25 and the one in the foreground is the extension of Main Street to meet the Hoosier Heartland.

[silverback1065]

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.590492,-86.621575,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s33996520!2e1!3e10

[RoadWarrior56]

The SR 25 Corridor was originally layed out to be located closer to the Wilson bridge than it ended up being.  The corridor eventually was moved further west so as to be farther away from that bridge.  While working on that project, I had bought a "Wilson Bridge" tee shirt from the local organization that was trying to perserve that bridge.  Although being from Indiana, I have lived in the Atlanta area since graduate school.  A couple of years after I worked on that project, I was in a grocery store near home, and some guy was wearing a "Wilson Bridge - Delphi, IN" sweatshirt just like my tee shirt.  Those shirts apparently got around.

[billtm]

Is the old segment of the bypass still in use or is it gone?

Do you mean the Logansport bypass?
If you do, then yes, its still in use.
Except now, there is only a slip ramp from West 24 to the old segment, and you can't turn right from North 35 to the old segment.