Central Susquehanna Valley Transportation Project

[TheOneKEA]

Does the contract for the nine new bridges on the southern segment of the CSVT include the rehabilitation/reconstruction of the unused mainline spans that fly over the northern terminus of US 522?

[Beltway]

Does the contract for the nine new bridges on the southern segment of the CSVT include the rehabilitation/reconstruction of the unused mainline spans that fly over the northern terminus of US 522?

My reading is that the project has 9 new bridges and no work on existing bridges.

[webny99]

Does the contract for the nine new bridges on the southern segment of the CSVT include the rehabilitation/reconstruction of the unused mainline spans that fly over the northern terminus of US 522?

My reading is that the project has 9 new bridges and no work on existing bridges.

Yes, I'm not sure about the existing bridges, but there are 9 new bridges (not including Sunbury Rd which was part of an earlier contract).

• Mill Rd
• Attig Rd
• Park Rd
• Stetler Ave
• W 11th Ave
• PA 61 Connector ramps
• Courtland Dr (PA 61 Connector)
• US 11/Bus 15 ramps (PA 61 Connector)
• Grangers Rd

[Beltway]

Does the contract for the nine new bridges on the southern segment of the CSVT include the rehabilitation/reconstruction of the unused mainline spans that fly over the northern terminus of US 522?

My reading is that the project has 9 new bridges and no work on existing bridges.

Yes, I'm not sure about the existing bridges, but there are 9 new bridges (not including Sunbury Rd which was part of an earlier contract).

• Mill Rd
• Attig Rd
• Park Rd
• Stetler Ave
• W 11th Ave
• PA 61 Connector ramps
• Courtland Dr (PA 61 Connector)
• US 11/Bus 15 ramps (PA 61 Connector)
• Grangers Rd

Those two overpasses were built in the US-11/US-15 Selinsburg Bypass project about 1971.

I have not taken a detailed look at them -- anyone here have feedback on their condition, do they need deck repairs?

[TheOneKEA]

Does the contract for the nine new bridges on the southern segment of the CSVT include the rehabilitation/reconstruction of the unused mainline spans that fly over the northern terminus of US 522?

My reading is that the project has 9 new bridges and no work on existing bridges.

Yes, I'm not sure about the existing bridges, but there are 9 new bridges (not including Sunbury Rd which was part of an earlier contract).

• Mill Rd
• Attig Rd
• Park Rd
• Stetler Ave
• W 11th Ave
• PA 61 Connector ramps
• Courtland Dr (PA 61 Connector)
• US 11/Bus 15 ramps (PA 61 Connector)
• Grangers Rd

Those two overpasses were built in the US-11/US-15 Selinsburg Bypass project about 1971.

I have not taken a detailed look at them -- anyone here have feedback on their condition, do they need deck repairs?

Google Street View on US 522 shows that the sub-structure of the bridges appears to be in excellent condition, with the only signs of visible wear being the usual staining from pollution and water runoff. If you pivot the image upward you can see that the metal foundation spans between the cast concrete beams and the bottom of the bridge deck are also in excellent condition with little or no rust visible.

Google Street View of the southbound mainline span past the loop ramp that currently carries US 11 and US 15 shows that the bridge deck itself is worn but otherwise clean and intact, with no major cracks, spalling or flaking of the concrete. The bridge side walls are also intact with no cracks, chips or scrapes, but they are definitely obsolescent in design and not particularly high compared to some of the modern side walls I've seen used elsewhere in PA. There's no easy way to get a street view of the unused northbound mainline bridge deck so I don't know how much more or less deteriorated it is than the southbound mainline bridge deck.

Based on my very limited understanding of highway bridges, it looks like a basic mill and resurface of the bridge deck and replacement of all of the expansion joints might be sufficient to prepare both bridges for through mainline traffic between the CSVT and the Selinsgrove bypass.

[Beltway]

Based on my very limited understanding of highway bridges, it looks like a basic mill and resurface of the bridge deck and replacement of all of the expansion joints might be sufficient to prepare both bridges for through mainline traffic between the CSVT and the Selinsgrove bypass.

Southbound of course opened to traffic when the bypass did. The reinforced concrete girders held up very well over the 55 years. Steel girders usually develop major rust problems.

[webny99]

Drove through Shamokin Dam last Friday, quite possibly for the last time before the official opening of CSVT, and it sure justified the project if there was ever any doubts. It took nearly 15 minutes to go 3.5 miles from the end of the freeway in Selinsgrove to the US 11 split northbound even with the left lane truck restriction, and it would have easily taken 20-25 minutes for the trucks and anyone else in the right lane. It's basically Breezewood on steroids at this point. The CSVT opening simply can't come fast enough.

[Rothman]

Drove through Shamokin Dam last Friday, quite possibly for the last time before the official opening of CSVT, and it sure justified the project if there was ever any doubts. It took nearly 15 minutes to go 3.5 miles from the end of the freeway in Selinsgrove to the US 11 split northbound even with the left lane truck restriction, and it would have easily taken 20-25 minutes for the trucks and anyone else in the right lane. It's basically Breezewood on steroids, at this point the CSVT opening simply can't come fast enough.

Heh.  Not so long ago, US 11 came to a T-intersection on the west side of the Susquehanna River bridge at Shikellamy State Park.  It was even worse.

But yeah, it's been miserable driving down US 11/15 through there for decades.

Looks like CSVT won't open until towards the end of 2027, if the schedule holds.

[webny99]

Heh.  Not so long ago, US 11 came to a T-intersection on the west side of the Susquehanna River bridge at Shikellamy State Park.  It was even worse.

Interesting. That must have been pre-Street View. Fortunately, the CSVT northern section (river bridge) has basically eliminated issues on US 11 through Northumberland, but arguably made 11/15 even worse.

[Rothman]

Heh.  Not so long ago, US 11 came to a T-intersection on the west side of the Susquehanna River bridge at Shikellamy State Park.  It was even worse.

Interesting. That must have been pre-Street View.

Around 2007.  All I remember is that southbound traffic backed up all the way through Northumberland.  Then, when they reconfigured the intersection on the far side of the bridge or so, it helped a bunch...despite still being terrible down through Selinsgrove.

[Beltway]

Drove through Shamokin Dam last Friday, quite possibly for the last time before the official opening of CSVT, and it sure justified the project if there was ever any doubts. It took nearly 15 minutes to go 3.5 miles from the end of the freeway in Selinsgrove to the US 11 split northbound even with the left lane truck restriction, and it would have easily taken 20-25 minutes for the trucks and anyone else in the right lane. It's basically Breezewood on steroids, at this point the CSVT opening simply can't come fast enough.

Still have a ways to go, like mid 2027.

Been thru there many times. One time it was a ghost town -- Christmas day.

[Rothman]

Drove through Shamokin Dam last Friday, quite possibly for the last time before the official opening of CSVT, and it sure justified the project if there was ever any doubts. It took nearly 15 minutes to go 3.5 miles from the end of the freeway in Selinsgrove to the US 11 split northbound even with the left lane truck restriction, and it would have easily taken 20-25 minutes for the trucks and anyone else in the right lane. It's basically Breezewood on steroids, at this point the CSVT opening simply can't come fast enough.

Still have a ways to go, like mid 2027.

Been thru there many times. One time it was a ghost town -- Christmas day.

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