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Started by mgk920, May 30, 2012, 02:33:31 AM

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US 12 fan

If they decide to change that route and decide not to have a state or county highway there, it would be interesting to see what they do with Highway 113 and Highway 30 since they both end at Highway 151. 


SEWIGuy

Quote from: US 12 fan on June 10, 2026, 09:39:11 PMIf they decide to change that route and decide not to have a state or county highway there, it would be interesting to see what they do with Highway 113 and Highway 30 since they both end at Highway 151. 

If it was made an unsigned state highway, it really wouldn't matter. Otherwise you could just run WI-30 down East Washington Avenue to end at First Street and the end of WI-113.

WisJohn

They should just re-route 113 down Aberg, and re-number 30 to 113, and end it at 39/90/94.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: WisJohn on June 11, 2026, 10:40:25 AMThey should just re-route 113 down Aberg, and re-number 30 to 113, and end it at 39/90/94.

That'll work too.

SSOWorld

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 11, 2026, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: WisJohn on June 11, 2026, 10:40:25 AMThey should just re-route 113 down Aberg, and re-number 30 to 113, and end it at 39/90/94.

That'll work too.
Would take care of the "sacrifice one number for another" rule.  but then 113 exits off itself.
Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

The Ghostbuster

If US 151 is rerouted, but STH 113 still ends at the E. Washington Ave./First St. intersection, it would join state highways STHs 24/42/107/134/136/152, which all have one terminus that is not at a state highway, US Highway or Interstate Highway.

triplemultiplex

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 13, 2026, 10:31:15 AMIf US 151 is rerouted, but STH 113 still ends at the E. Washington Ave./First St. intersection, it would join state highways STHs 24/42/107/134/136/152, which all have one terminus that is not at a state highway, US Highway or Interstate Highway.

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

Big John


TheHighwayMan3561

#5508
And WIS 122 (which ends at a state line but is not a Michigan highway on the other side)

It's amusing how much on both sides that state routes crossing the WI/MI line are only state highways on one side of the border.
the human equivalent of that run-over mcdonald's cup in the parking lot

Molandfreak

Quote from: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 13, 2026, 01:34:38 PMAnd WIS 122 (which ends at a state line but is not a Michigan highway on the other side)
That's even supposed to be a Lake Superior Circle Tour loop, but it's only signed in Wisconsin, effectively making it a spur. It isn't difficult to get back to US 2 on the Michigan side, though.

Inclusive infrastructure advocate

The Ghostbuster

I was excluding highways that went to the state lines. I did forget 155 and 794.

SSOWorld

Scott O.

Not all who wander are lost...
Ah, the open skies, wind at my back, warm sun on my... wait, where the hell am I?!
As a matter of fact, I do own the road.
Raise your what?

Wisconsin - out-multiplexing your state since 1918.

peterj920

Wis 30 isn't going anywhere. I doubt anything changes with Wis 113 in Madison.

It's just a wait and see game at this point with US 151. I'm sure the state wants E Washington Ave to stay a state highway to continue and collect connecting highway aid from the state.

I would hope that if S Park St becomes a city street part of the deal would be to reconstruct it. The stretch from Olin Ave to Wingra Dr is in awful shape and needs to be resurfaced.

peterj920

Drove Wis 29 over the weekend and it's 1 lane from Ringle to Bonduel, Owen to
Abbostford, and Wis 97 to Wis 107. Add Us 51/Wis 29 in Wausau and that's an extra large area for concrete repairs at once! The repairs are badly needed but I'm surprised it's all being done in one construction season. The County E ramps in Curtiss need complete replacement and are in awful shape.

I took Wis 10 back to avoid most of the construction on Wis 29 and there was one construction zone in Western Waupaca County. The concrete between Stevens Point and Winchester is next up for repairs. After all that building of expressways in the 90s and 2000s it looks like there's going to be a lot of concrete repairs on them for the next several years.

Molandfreak

It's refreshing to have a DOT doing these sorts of repairs all in one go rather than piecemeal staggering different sections on different years. I'll take that and then having the better part of a decade with no construction over routine construction each year.

Inclusive infrastructure advocate

dvferyance

Quote from: SSOWorld on June 13, 2026, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on June 13, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 13, 2026, 12:50:29 PMWI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
as well as WI 152.
WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"
In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: dvferyance on June 23, 2026, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 13, 2026, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on June 13, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 13, 2026, 12:50:29 PMWI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
as well as WI 152.
WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"
In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.


But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

The Ghostbuster

Interestingly, STH 24 was truncated to the Milwaukee/Waukesha County Line at about the same time STH 164 was extended south to STH 36 (1987-1988 timeframe). The Rock Freeway was also renumbered from STH 15 to Interstate 43 around that time. While the first two were likely coordinated in conjunction, the third was likely just a coincidence.

invincor

#5518
nevermind.  Found my answer elsewhere.

Molandfreak

Quote from: invincor on June 24, 2026, 12:10:14 PMnevermind.  Found my answer elsewhere.
You know you can simply delete your own posts, right?

Inclusive infrastructure advocate

dvferyance

Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2026, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 23, 2026, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 13, 2026, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on June 13, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 13, 2026, 12:50:29 PMWI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
as well as WI 152.
WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"
In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.


But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.
24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

dvferyance

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 24, 2026, 11:12:29 AMInterestingly, STH 24 was truncated to the Milwaukee/Waukesha County Line at about the same time STH 164 was extended south to STH 36 (1987-1988 timeframe). The Rock Freeway was also renumbered from STH 15 to Interstate 43 around that time. While the first two were likely coordinated in conjunction, the third was likely just a coincidence.
And STH 120 was also extended to I-43 around the same time.

Molandfreak

Quote from: dvferyance on June 24, 2026, 09:09:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2026, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 23, 2026, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 13, 2026, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on June 13, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 13, 2026, 12:50:29 PMWI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
as well as WI 152.
WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"
In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.


But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.
24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.
Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road.  :bigass:

Inclusive infrastructure advocate

SEWIGuy

Quote from: dvferyance on June 24, 2026, 09:09:14 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on June 24, 2026, 09:57:05 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on June 23, 2026, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on June 13, 2026, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on June 13, 2026, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 13, 2026, 12:50:29 PMWI 155 & 794 enter the chat.
as well as WI 152.
WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"
In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.


But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.
24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

It ends at the county line and becomes a county highway. Not exactly "random."

And again, what is wrong with that? Does it harm navigation in any way? I doubt most people who drive down that road even realize it's a state highway - it's just a suburban street.

The Ghostbuster

Maybe when STH 24 was truncated in the late 1980s, its western terminus could have been at US 45/STH 100, instead of the county line.