Wisconsin notes

[Molandfreak]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road. 

[SEWIGuy]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

It ends at the county line and becomes a county highway. Not exactly "random."

And again, what is wrong with that? Does it harm navigation in any way? I doubt most people who drive down that road even realize it's a state highway - it's just a suburban street.

[The Ghostbuster]

Maybe when STH 24 was truncated in the late 1980s, its western terminus could have been at US 45/STH 100, instead of the county line.

[WISFreeways]

We care too much about highway routing!
It only matters when the state doesn't give a hoot about funding it anymore and says "OK cities you go ahead".
Either you use the GPS like a lame-o, or you look at a map and find out how to go. If you care enough about the routing then you're probably a local.

So let's pause and take the time to enjoy the elegance that is Aberg Avenue.

[dvferyance]

Maybe when STH 24 was truncated in the late 1980s, its western terminus could have been at US 45/STH 100, instead of the county line.

That would make sense in a perspective that it ends at another state highway. But I think STH 164 in Big Bend would make more sense for it's western terminus. The Muskego portion is busy enough to justify it as a state highway. Traffic counts start to really drop off just west of Big Bend. That would be a logical place for it to transition into a county road.

[The Ghostbuster]

Is anyone aware of the new Projects Hub feature on the DOT website?: https://projects.hub.wisconsindot.gov/. Check it out.

[Molandfreak]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

[SEWIGuy]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

[TheCatalyst31]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

There's a Triple Kay Road near Rosendale that's apparently named that for the same reason, which makes me wonder what the hell the Fond du Lac County road department was thinking.

[GeekJedi]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

They were following naming conventions at the time. Typically three letter CTH's were sort of "spurs" off of the single or double letter highway. Just like VV and VVV along with OO and OOO in Fond du Lac.


I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

There's a Triple Kay Road near Rosendale that's apparently named that for the same reason, which makes me wonder what the hell the Fond du Lac County road department was thinking.

[GeekJedi]

We care too much about highway routing!

On a road forum? Bestill my beating heart.

[dvferyance]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

Although not all of them are. There is a road O just west of Nashotah Park and I can say for sure that was never County Route O. That has always been Moorland Road.

[dvferyance]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

There's a Triple Kay Road near Rosendale that's apparently named that for the same reason, which makes me wonder what the hell the Fond du Lac County road department was thinking.

I don't know what they are thinking with any triple route. With 52 designations available with single and double letters is sufficient enough. No county has more than 52 routes. No triple routes are necessary.

[SEWIGuy]

I noticed that there is a "Town Road T" in Dairyland. No accompanying shields, that is just the name of the road. Are there hidden lettered designations for all of Wisconsin's town roads, similar to how all township roads in Minnesota have numbered designations even though they are only actually signed in specific townships?

I have seen a few of these. I think they are mostly former county highways.

For instance, there is a "Road DT" west of Waukesha that I know was County DT 40+ years ago.

There's a Triple Kay Road near Rosendale that's apparently named that for the same reason, which makes me wonder what the hell the Fond du Lac County road department was thinking.

I don't know what they are thinking with any triple route. With 52 designations available with single and double letters is sufficient enough. No county has more than 52 routes. No triple routes are necessary.

Historically, a double letter was usually a spur off of a single. And a triple was a spur off a double.

For instance, there once was a CTH-CC and a CTH-CCC around Delafield, WI where now only CTH-C remains.

[dvferyance]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road. 

Then you can say the same thing for 134. If there isn't an intersection with a county road then it's a spot on the road ending. You can say 107 ends at a county road because it's end has an intersection with a county road.

[SEWIGuy]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road. 

Then you can say the same thing for 134. If there isn't an intersection with a county road then it's a spot on the road ending. You can say 107 ends at a county road because it's end has an intersection with a county road.

Fine by me.

[dvferyance]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road. 

Then you can say the same thing for 134. If there isn't an intersection with a county road then it's a spot on the road ending. You can say 107 ends at a county road because it's end has an intersection with a county road.

Fine by me.

The each there own. I am not a fan of illogical endings.

[The Ghostbuster]

I find it unusual that although STH 107 has ended at its present northern terminus since 1947, Google Maps shows 107 continuing up CTH S to S's terminus at STH 86.

[SEWIGuy]

WI 155 & 794 enter the chat.

as well as WI 152.

WIS 107 and WIS 24 also say "Hi"

In those cases I have argued before just simply extend 24 to 164 and end it there problem solved. And in the case of 107 you could just have it turn left a little bit and end at 86. Again problem solved.

But these really aren't problems that need to be solved. There is nothing wrong with a state highway ending at a county road or wherever.

24 doesn't even end at that just some random spot on the road.

Which continues as a county road. So it ends at a county road. 

Then you can say the same thing for 134. If there isn't an intersection with a county road then it's a spot on the road ending. You can say 107 ends at a county road because it's end has an intersection with a county road.

Fine by me.

The each there own. I am not a fan of illogical endings.

What makes it illogical? It's just a highway number.

[dvferyance]

I find it unusual that although STH 107 has ended at its present northern terminus since 1947, Google Maps shows 107 continuing up CTH S to S's terminus at STH 86.

Which is where it should end.

[The Ghostbuster]

Interestingly, there is a Jct. Business 51 sign at STH 107's terminus: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4289808,-89.693552,3a,75y,27.57h,96.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDpgilqgIItb0R3C_2_KcfQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-6.43643563202636%26panoid%3DDpgilqgIItb0R3C_2_KcfQ%26yaw%3D27.566894468320847!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D. This is despite the fact that the Business 51 designation in Tomahawk was decommissioned in 2004.

[peterj920]

Interestingly, there is a Jct. Business 51 sign at STH 107's terminus: https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4289808,-89.693552,3a,75y,27.57h,96.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDpgilqgIItb0R3C_2_KcfQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-6.43643563202636%26panoid%3DDpgilqgIItb0R3C_2_KcfQ%26yaw%3D27.566894468320847!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D. This is despite the fact that the Business 51 designation in Tomahawk was decommissioned in 2004.

I remember how badly deteriorated the signs were when Bus 51 was decommissioned. They were put up when US 51 originally bypassed Tomahawk and Lincoln County never replaced them.

WISDOT will remove business routes of local municipalities don't maintain signs. I'm guessing that's what happened here and what happened in Green Lake.

However, Green Lake must have wanted Bus 23 back since it put up new signs after poorly signing the route for years.

[The Ghostbuster]

There is also an End Business 14 sign in Janesville: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6708812,-88.9580469,3a,75y,130.69h,82.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWQ7fW5J5T7XHWyws6x8TcA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.781538577479694%26panoid%3DWQ7fW5J5T7XHWyws6x8TcA%26yaw%3D130.68768364762226!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcxMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D. Like the Business 51 sign at 107's terminus, I believe it is the only Business 14 sign remaining. The other signs likely weren't replaced for the same reasons.