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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #425 on: June 28, 2013, 12:14:18 AM »

TN 385 from I-240 to I-269 at least wouldn't be up to current Interstate standards I think; there are some curves that are too sharp (the 90 degree turn north of Winchester in particular) and the shoulders are too narrow.  Plus I think the AADT added with I-22 traffic would require widening the 4-lane part.  My guess, as Froggie suggests, would be truncating at I-269 or getting a waiver to "temporarily" truncate at the state line and putting the ball in TDOT's court.

As for Lamar, my understanding is they do plan to add interchanges at Shelby Drive and Holmes Road but leave some at-grades in place.  It'd be nice if they extended full control of access to Winchester at least (and NW of there to I-240 it's all depressed property that could be relocated if TDOT had the cash) but there's a lot of warehouse traffic that uses the at-grade accesses.  Probably the best you might see is RIRO.

As for TDOT's "lack of enthusiasm" for I-69, it's more the northern part of 8 that isn't really justified based on traffic now (and being stuck with a half-finished SIU 7 that they need to finish to justify the hardly-used stuff that's already built, which they started because it was all that had gotten environmental clearance when they had the money).  SIU 9 has fairly immediate need, and suburban growth is finally getting up towards Covington (hence the TN 14 widening parallel to US 51 to the east), justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.  And TDOT is probably going to be done with I-269 (except the stub to I-69 at Millington, which is pointless to build except as part of the I-69 contract) before MDOT meets up.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #426 on: June 28, 2013, 09:12:32 AM »

TDOT in its three-year plan proposes to buy right of way for improvements on Lamar Avenue (US 78) between the MS State Line and Shelby Drive in FY14.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #427 on: June 28, 2013, 01:24:46 PM »

TN 385 from I-240 to I-269 at least wouldn't be up to current Interstate standards I think; there are some curves that are too sharp (the 90 degree turn north of Winchester in particular) and the shoulders are too narrow.  Plus I think the AADT added with I-22 traffic would require widening the 4-lane part.  My guess, as Froggie suggests, would be truncating at I-269 or getting a waiver to "temporarily" truncate at the state line and putting the ball in TDOT's court.

As for Lamar, my understanding is they do plan to add interchanges at Shelby Drive and Holmes Road but leave some at-grades in place.  It'd be nice if they extended full control of access to Winchester at least (and NW of there to I-240 it's all depressed property that could be relocated if TDOT had the cash) but there's a lot of warehouse traffic that uses the at-grade accesses.  Probably the best you might see is RIRO.

As for TDOT's "lack of enthusiasm" for I-69, it's more the northern part of 8 that isn't really justified based on traffic now (and being stuck with a half-finished SIU 7 that they need to finish to justify the hardly-used stuff that's already built, which they started because it was all that had gotten environmental clearance when they had the money).  SIU 9 has fairly immediate need, and suburban growth is finally getting up towards Covington (hence the TN 14 widening parallel to US 51 to the east), justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.  And TDOT is probably going to be done with I-269 (except the stub to I-69 at Millington, which is pointless to build except as part of the I-69 contract) before MDOT meets up.
The lack of enthusiasm also relates to conservative and smart fiscal policy.  Why build something that we didn't ask for?
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #428 on: June 29, 2013, 02:46:26 AM »

The lack of enthusiasm also relates to conservative and smart fiscal policy.  Why build something that we didn't ask for?

SIU 7 and SIU 9 are logical extensions of existing freeways to provide regional connectivity, as is the southern part of SIU 8.  And 20 years down the road the rest of SIU 8 will likely have the traffic need to justify it too.  And plenty of folks in west Tennessee want I-69, even if the Nashville crowd doesn't (just as plenty of middle Tennessee people wanted SR 840 even though it's useless for much except cutting the corner of I-24 east to I-40 west).
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #429 on: June 29, 2013, 04:15:40 AM »

True.  Remember that the political clout of this state moved away from the West.  I only really wanted a partial 840.  The road really bests serves Franklin-Murfreesboro movements. 
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #430 on: June 29, 2013, 02:08:15 PM »

.....justifying SIU 8 up to the Hatchie River or so - once you get north of there, the towns are effectively bypassed except Dyersburg proper.... 

Ripley seems to have moved lock stock and barrel out to US51. Four traffic signals IIRC.  Pain in the ass. 

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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #431 on: June 30, 2013, 02:36:33 AM »

It's been a while since I've seen this in person. I've only seen the pictures that have been posted on here. Next Sunday I'll be traveling down south. I can't wait to see with my own eyes how much progress has been made since the last time I've traveled south through there which was back around January or February. Judging from the pictures quite a lot has happened in the months that have passed.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #432 on: July 21, 2013, 01:03:49 PM »

This July 8 article indicates that Coalburg Road, the primary link between the completed portion of Interstate 22 and Interstate 65 via Daniel Payne Drive, is currently undergoing a widening project and various detours may be in place until 2015.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #433 on: July 29, 2013, 03:02:32 PM »

Here is a photo gallery showing pictures of the I-22/65 interchange construction. Work is going well for the EB I-22 to NB I-65 flyover, and beams are being installed for the NB I-65 to WB I-22 flyover.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #434 on: August 01, 2013, 08:14:32 PM »

I've been looking through old AASHTO change logs, and in 1999 a relocation of US 78 was approved over future I-22, rejoining the current alignment using US 31. I had assumed it would use I-65.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #435 on: August 01, 2013, 10:01:50 PM »

On Coalburg Rd, there is now a temporary diversion in place between Daniel Payne Drive and Republic Drive.  It looks like the clearing work is pretty much underway; like the AL 129 widening a decade ago, I'm sure it'll be done just after the need for it evaporates with the next I-22 segment opening.

I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely, except on the few overheads (none of which have been updated).  No I-22 signs westbound yet in Mississippi.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #436 on: August 01, 2013, 10:44:36 PM »

I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely, except on the few overheads (none of which have been updated).  No I-22 signs westbound yet in Mississippi.

I haven't yet seen any I-22 signs off the main roadway at interchanges or anywhere else. Those still show US 78 and sometimes AL 4.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #437 on: August 11, 2013, 05:50:21 PM »

Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #438 on: August 11, 2013, 10:30:08 PM »

Jasper is used as the control city at interchanges.  So it might be Jasper and Memphis.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #439 on: August 12, 2013, 09:43:47 AM »

Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?

The plans for the I-22/I-65 interchange have the control city as Memphis.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #440 on: August 13, 2013, 10:47:55 AM »

Is there any word on what the control city for I-22 West will be at I-65?  Both Tupelo and Memphis make sense, but I wonder which will it be?
The plans for the I-22/I-65 interchange have the control city as Memphis.

I do expect the control city to be Memphis, but where I-22's actual western end will be is an ongoing guessing game.

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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #441 on: August 13, 2013, 12:28:50 PM »

Should be Memphis. Jasper is more of a "next three exits" sort of town.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #442 on: August 13, 2013, 12:35:17 PM »

Whatever they pick I wished they would just be consistent throughout instead of switching between Memphis, Jasper, Hamilton, and Tupelo.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #443 on: August 13, 2013, 03:43:01 PM »

I would imagine that it would be Memphis to begin with.  Later down the road they may change it to Jasper and Tupelo.  The intial naming gives the road legitimacy and familiarity.  The politicians love to sell this stuff.  We built a road that connects us to the intermodal captial that Memphis is sans Fed Ex.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #444 on: August 21, 2013, 04:29:21 AM »

So, is the big I-22/I-65 interchange 'nado-proof? :-|
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #445 on: August 21, 2013, 11:46:02 PM »

Watch it be labeled as Memphis from Alabama, but as soon as it crosses into Mississippi you can expect MDOT to post up the name of every 2 traffic light town in between.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #446 on: August 22, 2013, 06:39:08 AM »

Watch it be labeled as Memphis from Alabama, but as soon as it crosses into Mississippi you can expect MDOT to post up the name of every 2 traffic light town in between.

MDOT uses Tupelo, Birmingham, and Memphis as control cities now. ALDOT also uses Tupelo in some spots (around Jasper and west of Hamilton).
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #447 on: August 25, 2013, 02:05:55 PM »

I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely

And for visible proof of this, taken yesterday while enroute to Augusta, GA (8/24/13):
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #448 on: August 25, 2013, 08:47:58 PM »

I-22 reassurance markers seem to be in place pretty much throughout the Alabama portion, and in Walker County they seem to have displaced US 78 signs completely

And for visible proof of this, taken yesterday while enroute to Augusta, GA (8/24/13):

And they left the AL-4 signs. Hmm.
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Re: Interstate 22
« Reply #449 on: September 02, 2013, 01:24:34 AM »

While driving towards Memphis on U.S. 78, I saw 4 sets of 3 column bridge piers in a construction zone about 8-9 miles SE of the 302 Olive Branch/Southhaven exit. Is that where they are planning the intersection on I-22 and I-269? Keep in Mind as well that 5-0 likes to hide in that area because its a desolate location
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