Indiana Notes

[hobsini2]

I feel Kentucky is a better example than Florida.

Kentucky was proactive and widened I-65 thru the state years a go and I-75 just south of Lexington. Kentucky is working to get I-75 3 lanes all the way to Tennessee now.

Eventually I-64 will be 3 lanes from Louisville to east of Lexington.

true but those are all shorter distances to cover than what Indiana has, plus there are a lot of other projects that are almost as important to do too. I keep saying tolling is inevitable because of this.

I-65 in Kentucky is only 20 miles shorter than I-70 in Indiana.

Kentucky also does not have tolled parkways anymore.

[ilpt4u]

I feel Kentucky is a better example than Florida.

Kentucky was proactive and widened I-65 thru the state years a go and I-75 just south of Lexington. Kentucky is working to get I-75 3 lanes all the way to Tennessee now.

Eventually I-64 will be 3 lanes from Louisville to east of Lexington.

true but those are all shorter distances to cover than what Indiana has, plus there are a lot of other projects that are almost as important to do too. I keep saying tolling is inevitable because of this.

I-65 in Kentucky is only 20 miles shorter than I-70 in Indiana.

Kentucky also does not have tolled parkways anymore.

And KY removed the tolls from the Kentucky Turnpike/I-65 before they removed them from the various Parkways

[tosa]

Construction has kicked off to rehabilitate the historic Jewettsport Ford Bridge in Tippecanoe County. The bridge, which carries SR 225 over the Wabash River near Battle Creek, has been closed for three years. In 2021, the structure was stressed when semi-trucks used SR 225 as a detour when northbound I-65 was closed due to a crash involving a fatality. At the time, the bridge had a 12 ton weight limit.

The rehabilitation project is budgeted at $9.1 million. Construction is expected to complete in November of 2027.


Google Maps; Google Street View
Jewettsport Ford Bridge in Tippecanoe County; looking northwest.


Google Maps; Google Street View
The bridge, a riveted Pratt through truss, was built in 1912.

Why not build a new, wider bridge for 225 and use this old one for pedestrian?

[tosa]

I feel Kentucky is a better example than Florida.

Kentucky was proactive and widened I-65 thru the state years a go and I-75 just south of Lexington. Kentucky is working to get I-75 3 lanes all the way to Tennessee now.

Eventually I-64 will be 3 lanes from Louisville to east of Lexington.

true but those are all shorter distances to cover than what Indiana has, plus there are a lot of other projects that are almost as important to do too. I keep saying tolling is inevitable because of this.

I-65 in Kentucky is only 20 miles shorter than I-70 in Indiana.

Not to mention Kentucky is far more mountainous than Indiana, so it needs to build significantly more bridges for the same length of roadway.

[dvferyance]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

[NWI_Irish96]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

[silverback1065]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

Exactly. It's expensive to maintain and the county probably has no money to do that so they likely would have refused if INDOT offered. I think they still own the sagamore parkway bridge over the Wabash for that reason. Also they won't replace it with a wider bridge because the existing is historic and that typically doesn't allow things like that.

[I-55]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

Exactly. It's expensive to maintain and the county probably has no money to do that so they likely would have refused if INDOT offered. I think they still own the sagamore parkway bridge over the Wabash for that reason. Also they won't replace it with a wider bridge because the existing is historic and that typically doesn't allow things like that.

Not only does INDOT own the bridge, they own all of Sagamore Parkway between the bridge and US 52/231. This supports your suggestion that the county (and in this case the City) have refused to take over maintenance. On the flip side, Purdue wanted to take over all of the state routes on its campus (SR 26, SR 526, SR 126) so they could reconstruct them to be more campus-friendly (I was told this by a Purdue asset manager on my first day of classes in 2020 when we toured all of the smart infrastructure on campus).

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Crawfordsville_8.24.pdf

[NWI_Irish96]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

Exactly. It's expensive to maintain and the county probably has no money to do that so they likely would have refused if INDOT offered. I think they still own the sagamore parkway bridge over the Wabash for that reason. Also they won't replace it with a wider bridge because the existing is historic and that typically doesn't allow things like that.

Not only does INDOT own the bridge, they own all of Sagamore Parkway between the bridge and US 52/231. This supports your suggestion that the county (and in this case the City) have refused to take over maintenance. On the flip side, Purdue wanted to take over all of the state routes on its campus (SR 26, SR 526, SR 126) so they could reconstruct them to be more campus-friendly (I was told this by a Purdue asset manager on my first day of classes in 2020 when we toured all of the smart infrastructure on campus).

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Crawfordsville_8.24.pdf

There are a few segments of road that still belong to INDOT and aren't signed. I saw a list once but don't remember where. I know one other one is the very short segment of Keystone Pkwy. between I-465 and 96th St. in Indy.

[I-55]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

Exactly. It's expensive to maintain and the county probably has no money to do that so they likely would have refused if INDOT offered. I think they still own the sagamore parkway bridge over the Wabash for that reason. Also they won't replace it with a wider bridge because the existing is historic and that typically doesn't allow things like that.

Not only does INDOT own the bridge, they own all of Sagamore Parkway between the bridge and US 52/231. This supports your suggestion that the county (and in this case the City) have refused to take over maintenance. On the flip side, Purdue wanted to take over all of the state routes on its campus (SR 26, SR 526, SR 126) so they could reconstruct them to be more campus-friendly (I was told this by a Purdue asset manager on my first day of classes in 2020 when we toured all of the smart infrastructure on campus).

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Crawfordsville_8.24.pdf

There are a few segments of road that still belong to INDOT and aren't signed. I saw a list once but don't remember where. I know one other one is the very short segment of Keystone Pkwy. between I-465 and 96th St. in Indy.

That makes sense as well since Carmel took over Keystone (formerly SR 431) so they could convert it to freeway (here's a Road Guy Rob video on the topic). 96th St is the Hamilton/Marion Co Line and Indy didn't want to take the remainder from there to I-465. The tiny stub of Keystone appears in the Crawfordsville district map if you zoom in close enough.

Based off INDOT's region maps it appears some other routes include:
Portions of Old SR 3 and Old US 35 on the south side of Muncie
Part of Old SR 28 east of US 31 up to RP 80 (SR 28 was relinquished through Tipton within the last 5 years and rerouted along US 31, SR 26, and SR 19)

[dvferyance]

I am surprised Indiana has never decertified IN-225. When IN-25 was relocated like 12 years ago it made that route rather pointless.

The bridge is the reason INDOT kept the road.

Exactly. It's expensive to maintain and the county probably has no money to do that so they likely would have refused if INDOT offered. I think they still own the sagamore parkway bridge over the Wabash for that reason. Also they won't replace it with a wider bridge because the existing is historic and that typically doesn't allow things like that.

Not only does INDOT own the bridge, they own all of Sagamore Parkway between the bridge and US 52/231. This supports your suggestion that the county (and in this case the City) have refused to take over maintenance. On the flip side, Purdue wanted to take over all of the state routes on its campus (SR 26, SR 526, SR 126) so they could reconstruct them to be more campus-friendly (I was told this by a Purdue asset manager on my first day of classes in 2020 when we toured all of the smart infrastructure on campus).

https://www.in.gov/indot/files/Crawfordsville_8.24.pdf

There are a few segments of road that still belong to INDOT and aren't signed. I saw a list once but don't remember where. I know one other one is the very short segment of Keystone Pkwy. between I-465 and 96th St. in Indy.

That makes sense as well since Carmel took over Keystone (formerly SR 431) so they could convert it to freeway (here's a Road Guy Rob video on the topic). 96th St is the Hamilton/Marion Co Line and Indy didn't want to take the remainder from there to I-465. The tiny stub of Keystone appears in the Crawfordsville district map if you zoom in close enough.

Based off INDOT's region maps it appears some other routes include:
Portions of Old SR 3 and Old US 35 on the south side of Muncie
Part of Old SR 28 east of US 31 up to RP 80 (SR 28 was relinquished through Tipton within the last 5 years and rerouted along US 31, SR 26, and SR 19)

Yeah that made sense. Now that it is a freeway let's decertify it. Yet when it was a surface street with traffic lights it was a state highway. I am never a fan of freeways that only have names like Sam Cooper Blvd.

[Revive 755]

Why not build a new, wider bridge for 225 and use this old one for pedestrian?

Looks like there could be problems with 4F/impacts to Prophetstown State Park if they tried for an adjacent bridge - could be very difficult to get approved if INDOT wanted to use federal funding for the new bridge.

So why even keep the IN 225 bridge open for vehicular traffic at all?  I-65 is only a couple miles to the west, there's a non-freeway bridge maybe a mile west of I-65, and it looks like there is another non-freeway river crossing a few miles to the northeast of the IN 225 bridge.

[Great Lakes Roads]

INDOT is hosting a public information meeting on the proposed S.R. 37 Improvement Project designs on Thursday, May 7 at Noblesville City Hall. Doors open at 6 with a presentation starting at 6:30 p.m. A livestream is available for those unable to attend in person.

https://www.in.gov/indot/about-indot/central-office/welcome-to-the-greenfield-district/state-road-37-improvement-project-in-noblesville/

*While the S.R. 37 Improvement Project is being presented as a corridor-wide design, currently only the section of S.R. 37 from Greenfield Ave. to Town and County Blvd. is funded.

[The Ghostbuster]

Are the existing signaled intersections along IN 37 going to remain? I would've suggested extending the freeway northward from its current terminus at E. 146th St., although the right-of-way impacts may be too great to make such an upgrade feasible.

[cjw2001]

This web site should answer the above question on IN 37:  www.SR37Improvement.com  I would expect similar treatment to be proposed as to what was done to the south, but you will have to wait for the public meeting to see what is proposed.

HAMILTON COUNTY, Ind. — The Indiana Department of Transportation is hosting a public information meeting to present proposed design concepts for the State Road 37 Improvement Project in Noblesville.

The meeting will be held at 6:30 p.m. on Thursday, May 7, at Noblesville City Hall, 16 S. 10th St., Noblesville, IN. Doors open at 6 p.m. The meeting will be held in Room A214 on the second floor.

Representatives from INDOT, the City of Noblesville, and American Structurepoint, the consultant leading the design improvements, will share updates about the project and gather additional feedback from attendees.

The project includes improvements along S.R. 37 from south of Greenfield Avenue to north of State Road 32. The project team will be presenting proposed plans for the entire corridor; however, there is currently only construction funding for work from Greenfield Avenue up to and through Town & Country Boulevard.

When complete, the improvements will result in reduced traffic congestion and improved pedestrian and vehicular safety along the S.R. 37 corridor.

[silverback1065]

I remember years ago when this was in the news, it was supposed to be a freeway all the way up to 191st street. Looks like it's just up to 32 now. Does anyone know what they did at 191st Street? Streetview shows construction but not the final product.

[I-55]

I remember years ago when this was in the news, it was supposed to be a freeway all the way up to 191st street. Looks like it's just up to 32 now. Does anyone know what they did at 191st Street? Streetview shows construction but not the final product.

Looks like it was a trail project along the north side of 191st St that included an added WB left turn lane. The construction at SR 37 was for the ADA curb ramps and pedestrian signals

Streetview from 191st St dated Aug 2025

[silverback1065]

I remember years ago when this was in the news, it was supposed to be a freeway all the way up to 191st street. Looks like it's just up to 32 now. Does anyone know what they did at 191st Street? Streetview shows construction but not the final product.

Looks like it was a trail project along the north side of 191st St that included an added WB left turn lane. The construction at SR 37 was for the ADA curb ramps and pedestrian signals

Streetview from 191st St dated Aug 2025

o cool I didn't notice they updated the streetview. I assumed they were putting in one of those J-turns like they did at 186th.