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Re: Delaware
« Reply #750 on: March 17, 2017, 07:11:54 AM »

I've seen this before on the Delaware Memorial Bridge: Falling ice from the suspension ropes and tubes case them to shut down the outside lanes.  Thus, 2 lanes are open in either direction.  Unlike some of the past incidents, weekday, winter closures don't tend to jam up traffic all that much, especially since people aren't necessarily slowing down to see construction work or anything.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2017/03/falling_ice_prompts_lane_closures_on_delaware_memo.html#incart_river_home

Do other suspension, cable stayed, or cantilever bridges have a problem with this?

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #751 on: March 17, 2017, 08:10:49 AM »

I've seen this before on the Delaware Memorial Bridge: Falling ice from the suspension ropes and tubes case them to shut down the outside lanes.  Thus, 2 lanes are open in either direction.  Unlike some of the past incidents, weekday, winter closures don't tend to jam up traffic all that much, especially since people aren't necessarily slowing down to see construction work or anything.

http://www.nj.com/salem/index.ssf/2017/03/falling_ice_prompts_lane_closures_on_delaware_memo.html#incart_river_home

Do other suspension, cable stayed, or cantilever bridges have a problem with this?

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Yes.  East River bridges in NYC do...but I don't think they shut down outside lanes to deal with it.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #752 on: March 17, 2017, 09:49:21 AM »

Remember that this wasn't a snow storm though...in DE, it was all sleet and freezing rain...so this was an unusual event. 
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #753 on: March 17, 2017, 10:41:38 AM »

Remember that this wasn't a snow storm though...in DE, it was all sleet and freezing rain...so this was an unusual event. 

They still had some snow, especially in the Wilmington/South Jersey areas near the bridge.  Then combined with the thawing and refreezing, making the icicles, the long icicles occur.  During the next thawing is when the icicles fall, and causes the lanes to be shut down.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #755 on: March 30, 2017, 02:39:41 PM »

The information one can get via Wikipedia is gold.  I was looking up something on New Castle, Delaware, and found this interesting tidbit: 

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The spire on top of the Court House, Delaware's Colonial capitol and first state house, was used as the center of the Twelve-Mile Circle forming the northern boundary of Delaware. The Delaware River within this radius to the low water mark on the opposite shore is part of Delaware. Thus the Delaware Memorial Bridge was built as an intrastate span by Delaware, without financial participation by neighboring New Jersey.[citation needed]

For this to be even remotely true, the bridge would have had to touch down at the exact point where the river touches NJ during lowtide.  Obviously, it does not.

Take note that a citation is needed...I won't hold my breath waiting for that citation to be provided.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #756 on: March 30, 2017, 11:17:23 PM »

The information one can get via Wikipedia is gold.  I was looking up something on New Castle, Delaware, and found this interesting tidbit: 

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The spire on top of the Court House, Delaware's Colonial capitol and first state house, was used as the center of the Twelve-Mile Circle forming the northern boundary of Delaware. The Delaware River within this radius to the low water mark on the opposite shore is part of Delaware. Thus the Delaware Memorial Bridge was built as an intrastate span by Delaware, without financial participation by neighboring New Jersey.[citation needed]

For this to be even remotely true, the bridge would have had to touch down at the exact point where the river touches NJ during lowtide.  Obviously, it does not.

Take note that a citation is needed...I won't hold my breath waiting for that citation to be provided.
Considering DRBA is a bi-state agency...
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #757 on: April 12, 2017, 03:23:20 PM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #758 on: May 05, 2017, 06:14:06 AM »

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

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EDIT:  I didn't mean to use the quote in this post.  Sorry.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #759 on: May 05, 2017, 07:14:32 AM »

My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
At least the exit tab on the above-example doesn't look like it was copied from Maryland signage.

Has Delaware followed Iowa and abandoned Clearview?  I've seen some signs that look brand new (DE 1 at US 13 I think?) that looked like all Highway Gothic.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #760 on: May 05, 2017, 07:15:58 AM »

^ At this point, since FHWA rescinded "interim approval", everybody is supposed to be abandoning Clearview.  Any lingering new installations are only supposed to be those which were designed before the interim approval was yanked.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #761 on: May 05, 2017, 11:00:35 AM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


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Re: Delaware
« Reply #762 on: May 05, 2017, 11:44:34 AM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

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Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


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Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #763 on: May 05, 2017, 11:47:13 AM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


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Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


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Re: Delaware
« Reply #764 on: May 05, 2017, 11:56:04 AM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


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Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


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So there's still a free way to cross, right?

Also, the old US 13 St. Georges bridge will still be open, so that's another free way to cross.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #765 on: May 05, 2017, 11:58:51 AM »

I went out to where the old summit bridge was today and took some pictures, i would upload them but i don't know how  :confused: . I went on both sides of where the former bridge was, it was very interesting.

If you normally take U.S. 113 to the Quiet Resorts, OCMD, or maybe Berlin and/or Snow Hill, you'll have to deal with this for a fortnight.

http://www.wboc.com/story/35347266/section-of-us-113-closing-tonight-in-milford-for-two-weeks

Notice how the rails have sagged at the crossing.

ixnay
Now that's interesting. But tell me this, does DE 1 plan to get rid of the toll booths once the 301 tollway is finished?


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Nope.  In the tolling sense, the two highways have nothing to do with each other.
As previously noted you must have a free way to cross & I believe that when the 301 flyover ramp is built with DE 1 the light where you can join DE 1 before St georges will be removed. Which means you would have to get off at the 896 exit & take U.S all the way up or they will build a correct interchange for the 3 roads


iPhone

So there's still a free way to cross, right?

Also, the old US 13 St. Georges bridge will still be open, so that's another free way to cross.
Do you think its a good idea to push more traffic on the old Us 13 Bridge it is already is terrible condition the best crossing is the C & D canel bridge


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Re: Delaware
« Reply #766 on: May 05, 2017, 12:03:53 PM »

Hey, people are cheap. As long as the bridge isn't in danger of collapsing, which if it was it would be closed immediately, people can use it.  And if more people use it, then it'll jam up the bridge, and people can decide if it's worth it to skip the dollar toll in exchange for a slower ride.

In the very immediate Trenton area, the best crossing over the Delaware is the US 1 Bridge.  It costs $1.  But people have the option, and often use it, to exit and take the free, single lane, 25 mph bridge, going thru a few traffic lights in Morrisville, PA.   
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #767 on: May 05, 2017, 12:16:02 PM »

Per the contract plans, the slip ramp Tonytone is referring to will be replaced with a new northbound on-ramp beginning at the US 13/Port Penn Rd intersection, about 3/4 mile to the south.  So Tonytone's point is moot.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #768 on: May 05, 2017, 01:00:44 PM »

Ah, I see it now.  I wasn't looking at the plans in the correct area.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #769 on: May 05, 2017, 05:50:44 PM »

My god Delaware sucked at Clearview.
At least the exit tab on the above-example doesn't look like it was copied from Maryland signage.

Has Delaware followed Iowa and abandoned Clearview?  I've seen some signs that look brand new (DE 1 at US 13 I think?) that looked like all Highway Gothic.
Interestingly enough (and I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned), a large portion of the Clearview signage at the new DE 1 / 30 interchange has already been replaced with Highway Gothic as of two weekends ago.  If memory serves, I believe they added Milford to the destinations instead of just using Lincoln.  I didn't get any pictures as I was driving at the time.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #770 on: May 06, 2017, 01:49:18 AM »

Somewhere on here I seen that De-1 was supposed to take down the tolls by 2018 because thats when the bonds will be paid.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #771 on: May 06, 2017, 09:26:13 AM »

Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #772 on: May 06, 2017, 10:25:52 AM »

Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

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Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #773 on: May 07, 2017, 09:13:43 PM »

Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

ixnay

Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

Did we ever figure out the purpose of this?  Especially on that high speed ramp, it seems awfully backwards to remove what appeared to be a perfectly fine jersey barrier and replace it with guardrail. 
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #774 on: May 07, 2017, 09:16:46 PM »

Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

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Bob told me of this in early April and figured it out:

The ramp is closed until May 26: http://www.deldot.gov/public.ejs?command=PublicTrafficIncidentDisplay&id=89509

http://www.deldot.gov/home/newsroom/release.shtml?id=6486

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WHAT: The Delaware Department of Transportation (DelDOT)'s contractor Eastern Highway Specialists Inc. will be removing the existing concrete median barrier and replacing with dual faced guardrail on SR 1.

Did we ever figure out the purpose of this?  Especially on that high speed ramp, it seems awfully backwards to remove what appeared to be a perfectly fine jersey barrier and replace it with guardrail.

Thats a good question, but since Jersey Barrier obstructs the view of the driver and causes the lane to feel tight, that might be a reason. Also the guardrail is all up and down the part of DE-1.

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Speaking of DE 1... are they rebuilding the ramp from SB DE 1 to NB U.S. 13 in Tybouts Corner?   Google Maps shows it as closed.

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When do they plan to rebuild it? I've seen the plans on deldots website. but no mention of a date, its a good plan too.
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