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Longest signed interval between gas stations
« on: September 23, 2011, 09:38:31 PM »

Splitting this off from the "Longest unsigned interval between gas stations" thread, which also discussed some very long signed intervals between gas stations (like 163 miles between Tonopah NV and Ely NV on US 6) ...

Traveling in eastern Canada earlier this month, I came across signs for some really long gas-free highways, including parts of the Trans-Labrador Highway, the James Bay Road, and the Trans-Taiga Road spur from the James Bay Highway.

Starting off with the Trans-Labrador Highway photos (already posted in another thread):



The one above was taken on the Trans-Labrador Highway just north of Port Hope Simpson.  410 km is about 255 miles, so this tops the "next services 244 miles" sign at Coldfoot on Alaska's Dalton Highway (AK 11).



This one is from the north end of NL 510 (newer central/southern section of the TLH), south of its junction with the original TLH (NL 500) west of Happy Valley-Goose Bay.  392 km is about 244 miles.

The number on the second sign is smaller than on the first one, because the second one is 18 km west of the gas stations in Happy Valley-Goose Bay.  But it actually should be more alarming.  Heading north from Port Hope Simpson, gas is available off NL 510 in Charlottetown via NL 514 (about 50 km/31 mi. from PHS, including a 25 km one-way detour from NL 510), and in Cartwright via NL 516 (about 200 km/124 mi. from PHS, including an ~85 km one-way detour).  Heading southbound from NL 500, the only way to get gas in less than 365 km/227 mi. (via the detour to Cartwright) is to turn back.  

Either way, would this be the longest gas-free interval on a numbered highway anywhere in North America?

I'll post here separately my pix from the unnumbered James Bay Highway, which I traveled a few days after I finished the Trans-Labrador Highway.

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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 11:01:24 PM »

Here's two photos from the 620-km unnumbered municipal James Bay Highway between Matagami and Radisson in northern Quebec.



Above is the familiar sign, just south of the truck stop at km 381, reminding travelers who forgot to refuel there (almost always a mistake) that it's a long way to the next gas stations in Matagami at the southern end of the highway.  And yes, in the background is a 100 km/h speed limit sign -- unusually high for a bumpy two-lane road in Quebec, but I guess the local officials who maintain the road realize that travelers have to go a long way to get anywhere, and generally are in a hurry.



This lesser-known sign on the way out of the km 381 truck stop reminds that those planning to take the Trans-Taiga Road spur east from km 544 of the James Bay Highway mainline have an even longer distance to gas up again.  (The sign may overstate the distance a little -- an official travel guide to the James Bay region indicates that gas is available along the Trans-Taiga at least some of the time only 449 km/279 miles, rather than 500 km/310 miles, northeast from the km 381 truck stop.  And nervous travelers can always refuel in Radisson at the end of the James Bay Highway, at km 617, before taking on the Trans-Taiga if they don't mind a 146 km round-trip detour to further reduce the distance between fuel stops.)
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 02:31:19 AM »

And yes, in the background is a 100 km/h speed limit sign -- unusually high for a bumpy two-lane road in Quebec, but I guess the local officials who maintain the road realize that travelers have to go a long way to get anywhere, and generally are in a hurry.

it is also very, very lightly patrolled.

the road, at the beginning, should be signed with "speed limit enforced by unmarked frost heaves".  most of the worse bumps have an orange flag to indicate its position ... two or three of the absolute worst ones are left entirely unsigned.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 02:38:37 AM »


Either way, would this be the longest gas-free interval on a numbered highway anywhere in North America?

almost definitely in the US and Canada.  I am willing to bet there is longer on some dusty road in Mexico.  I believe the longest distance in Baja is about 250km, and that includes a few stops consisting of "a guy with a barrel by the side of the road".  on the mainland - well, information is just too sporadic to be able to make an accurate determination.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 05:41:38 AM »

And yes, in the background is a 100 km/h speed limit sign -- unusually high for a bumpy two-lane road in Quebec, but I guess the local officials who maintain the road realize that travelers have to go a long way to get anywhere, and generally are in a hurry.

it is also very, very lightly patrolled.

the road, at the beginning, should be signed with "speed limit enforced by unmarked frost heaves".  most of the worse bumps have an orange flag to indicate its position ... two or three of the absolute worst ones are left entirely unsigned.

I saw only one municipal patrol car, and no provincial police, on my 1240-km round trip on the highway.  The cop car was sitting on the southbound shoulder, while I blew past him at 115 km/h going northbound.  Nothing happened.  So the speed limit seems not to be strictly enforced, by anything but the bumps in the road.

But the bumps make night driving on the road very unpleasant, and I and most other drivers still on the road pulled off into roadside campgrounds/rest areas soon after nightfall.  I was up from 3am-4am the night I had to camp at roadside (the temps were near-freezing, and I had to warm up in my truck cab before going back to sleep).  Only one vehicle -- an 18-wheeler -- drove by in either direction during that hour.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 10:11:27 AM »

Here's a photo I took two days ago, on US 6 just west of Ely NV.  This may be the longest signed interval between gas stations anywhere in the lower 48:



But Alaska's Dalton Highway (AK 11) tops that with a 240-mile gas-free gap between Deadhorse and Coldfoot:



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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 05:32:35 PM »

This post I made a few days ago should be in the "signed interval" thread, so here it is again (removed from the other thread), but now with a companion photo Andy took on August 3.

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A "No Gas 82 Miles" sign is posted on Washington 14 east as it leaves U.S. 97.

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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2014, 07:07:58 PM »

We might have a new contender for the Lower 48. If Nevada DOT is to be believed, gas is no longer available at Denio on NV/OR 140, so they've posted this at the junction with US 95. Taken today.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2014, 08:17:45 PM »

We might have a new contender for the Lower 48. If Nevada DOT is to be believed, gas is no longer available at Denio on NV/OR 140, so they've posted this at the junction with US 95. Taken today.
I was just out there a couple of months ago.  Not 100% accurate as I seem to recall seeing (pretty expensive) gas in Adel OR (along with some US 140 signs).  Denio looked all closed up though.

Thanks for sharing the picture.  I should have double-checked mine before I continued west but I didn't, and of course it didn't turn out. 

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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2014, 08:24:55 PM »

We might have a new contender for the Lower 48. If Nevada DOT is to be believed, gas is no longer available at Denio on NV/OR 140, so they've posted this at the junction with US 95. Taken today.

the sign was there as of last August.

there is gas in Adel when I was last there, which was 2006.  so, that's not particularly useful info.  definitely gas in Lakeview.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2014, 08:28:27 PM »


almost definitely in the US and Canada.  I am willing to bet there is longer on some dusty road in Mexico.  I believe the longest distance in Baja is about 250km, and that includes a few stops consisting of "a guy with a barrel by the side of the road".  on the mainland - well, information is just too sporadic to be able to make an accurate determination.

having done all of highway 1 in Baja, I can attest to the fact that the longest stretch without PEMEX is from El Rosario to Jesus Maria, about 20km north of Guerrero Negro.  so a 340km stretch with just people selling gas out of drums by the side of the road, in places like Catavina.

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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2014, 09:23:02 PM »

We might have a new contender for the Lower 48. If Nevada DOT is to be believed, gas is no longer available at Denio on NV/OR 140, so they've posted this at the junction with US 95. Taken today.

the sign was there as of last August.

there is gas in Adel when I was last there, which was 2006.  so, that's not particularly useful info.  definitely gas in Lakeview.

Wikipedia says there is a gas station in Adel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel%2C_Oregon
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 09:52:03 AM »

What is the longest stretch of interstate highway that has no services? I'm guessing somewhere on I-15, I-40 or I-70 out west?

Wow, those are some pretty cool (and damn scary) signs. Some small cars have gas tanks that only hold like 13 gallons, so they might not even be able to make the drive even with a full tank unless they carry additional fuel in a separate plastic can.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 12:02:31 PM »

What is the longest stretch of interstate highway that has no services? I'm guessing somewhere on I-15, I-40 or I-70 out west?

Wow, those are some pretty cool (and damn scary) signs. Some small cars have gas tanks that only hold like 13 gallons, so they might not even be able to make the drive even with a full tank unless they carry additional fuel in a separate plastic can.

Mine has a 13.6 gallon fuel tank, and I could handily make the 500 km (310 mi) distance on one of the signs above.  As long as you get 30 mpg or better with a 13 gallon tank, you'll be just fine.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 12:31:51 PM »

What is the longest stretch of interstate highway that has no services? I'm guessing somewhere on I-15, I-40 or I-70 out west?

It's I-70 in Utah, between Salina and Green River, 106 miles or so. 

Easily covered by a gas-powered vehicle, keeping in mind that the ones with the smallest gas tanks also have the best fuel economy, so long as you refuel before doing that drive.  An all-electric Nissan Leaf almost certainly would not make it, and a Tesla would be a "maybe" depending on where it can be recharged.

Off the Interstates, it's a different story.  In another thread, there's a photo of a sign in western Australia warning of no gas for the next 815 km (over 500 miles), though diesel was available in some places on that stretch.
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 12:47:49 PM »

Mine has a 13.6 gallon fuel tank, and I could handily make the 550 km (310 mi) distance on one of the signs above.  As long as you get 30 mpg or better with a 13 gallon tank, you'll be just fine.

If your car has only a 13.6 gallon fuel tank, it's probably not a high-clearance pickup truck or SUV.  Much of that road with 310 miles between services is gravel, which could not only do a number on passenger-car tires and undercarriages, but also kill your gas mileage. 

My pickup truck, with a 26-gallon tank, probably would have run out of gas on a similar Canadian road with 288 miles between services, had I not brought extra fuel.  My truck's mileage sucks even on pavement, but it sucks a lot more on gravel. 
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 12:50:01 PM »

We might have a new contender for the Lower 48. If Nevada DOT is to be believed, gas is no longer available at Denio on NV/OR 140, so they've posted this at the junction with US 95. Taken today.

the sign was there as of last August.

there is gas in Adel when I was last there, which was 2006.  so, that's not particularly useful info.  definitely gas in Lakeview.

Wikipedia says there is a gas station in Adel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel%2C_Oregon

I measured the distance from that sign to Adel and it is too short. But the distance to Lakeview is almost exactly what the sign says the distance to the next gas station is. (180mi.) So in conclusion, Wikipedia is wrong. :pan:
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 03:22:41 PM »

Mine has a 13.6 gallon fuel tank, and I could handily make the 550 km (310 mi) distance on one of the signs above.  As long as you get 30 mpg or better with a 13 gallon tank, you'll be just fine.

If your car has only a 13.6 gallon fuel tank, it's probably not a high-clearance pickup truck or SUV.  Much of that road with 310 miles between services is gravel, which could not only do a number on passenger-car tires and undercarriages, but also kill your gas mileage. 

My pickup truck, with a 26-gallon tank, probably would have run out of gas on a similar Canadian road with 288 miles between services, had I not brought extra fuel.  My truck's mileage sucks even on pavement, but it sucks a lot more on gravel.

My pickup (as I have stated here before) gets about 20 or 21 MPG with a 30+ gallon tank, but it burns Diesel fuel.  I have driven from Maryland to Carnesville, Georgia (I-85 a few exits south of the South Carolina border) with no fuel stops (I could possibly have driven all the way to Atlanta without a fuel stop). 

According to Google, it is about 580 miles, (admittedly nearly all on freeway).

Do those gas stations along the Trans-Labrador Highway sell Diesel fuel?
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Re: Longest signed interval between gas stations
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 03:51:05 PM »

Do those gas stations along the Trans-Labrador Highway sell Diesel fuel?

At least in Goose Bay and Port Hope Simpson, at opposite ends of the longest fuel-free stretch.  Maybe not in some smaller communities along the highway, but probably enough other places for diesel-fueled vehicles to get by.

As with other remote northern places, limited hours can be a separate issue, especially stations that close early in the evening.  When I stopped in Charlotte Harbour, both gas stations were closed for lunch (apparently the station owners dine together), which held up my return to the Trans-Labrador by about an hour.  I probably could've gotten by without refueling, but in that region you try never to drive past an open gas station with less than a 7/8 full tank. 
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