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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #225 on: October 16, 2021, 02:29:51 AM »

OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #226 on: October 16, 2021, 11:53:35 AM »

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.

I remember that sentiment.  I always figured that they forgot about I-277 being their first loop.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #227 on: October 23, 2021, 12:35:35 AM »

OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. NC is a state that has business, alternate,  and bypass versions of a single-numbered highway.

They are all completely separate highways, so how would anyone navigating the state with so many versions suddenly surmise that 540 breaks the convention and is a single entity despite using totally different shields?

Even natives from around the state are unlikely to break convention for this one loop.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #228 on: October 23, 2021, 05:49:32 PM »

OK I-640 may not be the name, but I guarantee the completed outerloop in Wake will get one designation to convey it's what it's intended to be: one  loop like Charlotte's I-485.

Folks around here originally called it the "Outer Beltline".  Now that it actually ended up with its own style of "belt buckle", I suspect that it's going to get that same moniker.  But the toll road portion will still get called the "Triangle Expressway".
It will all be 540 and the exit numbers will be consistent around the circle. Most drivers couldn't care less what shape the shields have as long as they all say 540.

I totally disagree. The red, white and blue American interstate shield is unbelievably important to people in catching their attention and knowing what all is associated with that symbol.

But I will admit many people are reliant on GPS telling them how to navigate, and I'll bet many would be challenged to follow a federal or state route using only the signs.

I'm not sure out of towners would associate NC540 and I-540 as being the same highway.

As to someone mentioning a belt buckle whatever that means, it's interesting that the beltline isn't a true loop because its using I-40 to close the gap.

Charlotte folks used to complain that Raleigh was getting its 2nd loop before their first one was even finished. I responded by reminding them that I-485 is longer and has more lane miles than what's completed so far of both Raleigh's loops.


Oh yeah, the out of towners will associate NC 540 and I-540 being the same highway. They can look at the overhead signages. It's right here and large enough so no excuses for not paying attention.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. NC is a state that has business, alternate,  and bypass versions of a single-numbered highway.

They are all completely separate highways, so how would anyone navigating the state with so many versions suddenly surmise that 540 breaks the convention and is a single entity despite using totally different shields?

Even natives from around the state are unlikely to break convention for this one loop.

And keep in mind you're speaking for yourself. That doesn't mean everyone else would have issues.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #229 on: December 14, 2021, 01:28:54 PM »

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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #230 on: December 17, 2021, 10:43:41 PM »

I have posted some of the images from the new Street View imagery, such as this one showing the construction of a new ramp for Future I-295 South from I-95 South, with the current ramp still having an NC 295 shield on its signage:


The rest is on my Future I-295 page:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html#photos

The page title will remain Future I-295 until the signs are updated. Based on a July 2021 NCDOT press release the contractor could have started in August but has until spring to update the signs, and apparently they are taking their time.

While I'm here, a construction update-the latest NCDOT Construction Progress Report listing for the contract building I-295 from I-95 in Robeson County to Camden Road showed a dramatic change in project cost and completion date. A prior report in September had the contract listed as 2/3 complete with a July 2023 opening date. The latest report though lists the project as only 41% complete with a new end date of December 2024. What happened? Has the last section to be built from US 401 to Camden Road been added to the project? Is there some needed change to the contract that added cost and time to completion of this segment? I can find nothing on the NCDOT site to explain the change.

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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #231 on: December 18, 2021, 09:10:38 PM »

I'm not surprised to read that the segment from 95 to Camden Road has been delayed.  Just two months ago, I drove around on some roads in the construction site and at time the NCDOT site had it slated for completion in July 2022!!!

What I saw during my tour shocked me!!!  There was absolutely ZERO sign of any construction (flags, markers, tree clearing, dirt piles) of an interchange or even a NEW road crossing on Camden Road (the loop is supposed to go somewhere between Farm Circle Rd & Possum Holler Rd).

Also, there has been no construction of an overpass at Lake Upchurch Road.

However, I did see construction of an overpass on Waldo's Beach Rd just south of Balaam Rd but it looked like a bridge to nowhere at least in the direction of Camden Road.

After this personal tour in October, I thought that it was very odd that a project that was supposed to get done less than a year from now has no construction at Camden Road or no overpass at Lake Upchurch Rd.  So the new date of December 2024 makes more sense, but I find it weird that the Fayetteville Observer newspaper or the NCDOT has not made any announcement on this project.

I bet it's probably related to the pandemic, they were ahead of schedule on the segments from All-American Freeway to Cliffdale to US 401, now there not.  Similar to what's going on with the Greensboro Loop, ahead of schedule on Battleground to Lawndale to Elm, now the rest is delayed until 2023, original completion date was late 2021/early 2022.

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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #232 on: December 18, 2021, 09:17:53 PM »

Unless they are trying to wait until the part from US-401 to Camden Road gets done for a complete connection.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #233 on: December 29, 2021, 12:00:50 AM »

Some good news to report. The letting of the contract for the final segment of I-295 has been advanced from October to June 2022, according to the latest NCDOT Tentative Letting List, January to December 2022. The list is available at:
https://connect.ncdot.gov/letting/12%20Month%20Tentative%20Letting%20Library/12%20MONTH%20LET%20LIST%20(JANUARY%202022%20-%20DECEMBER%202022)%20REV1.pdf

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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #234 on: January 10, 2022, 04:28:07 PM »

This shows evidence that nothing is being done over here...

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9321318,-78.9893346,3a,90y,191.25h,90.22t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1szheV9WsdN3XFDHQ6YblCcg!2e0!5s20211101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

And to add to that, has the new alignments of Old Plank Rd and Black bridge road opened yet?
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #235 on: March 06, 2022, 08:48:17 PM »

Article from Friday about progress in building the Loop. A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer. The entire project is to be completed in 2026. Despite the contractor having until February to complete changing all NC 295 signs to I-295, no mention of whether that has been completed, though the article refers to the Loop as I-295 throughout:
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2022/03/04/ncdot-fayetteville-i-295-construction-raeford-road-summer-completion/9360783002/
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #236 on: March 06, 2022, 11:24:05 PM »

A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer.
I feel like it will be either signed as I-295 or not signed until the whole beltway is complete.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #237 on: April 22, 2022, 06:23:28 PM »

A segment south of Raeford Road (US 401) to Century Circle is to be finished this summer.
I feel like it will be either signed as I-295 or not signed until the whole beltway is complete.
Two updates. The contractor charged with replacing the NC 295 shields with I-295 ones has apparently completed the work. Here's the current signage at the US 401 exit to the east/north of Fort Bragg, courtesy of Val Melvin:


NC 295 along the Loop is gone only temporarily. The southernmost section now under construction from I-95 to Camden Road will be signed as NC 295 when opened. The shields will be switched to interstate versions when the final segment between Camden Road and US 401/Raeford Road is completed. Speaking of that contract, it was advertised on Tuesday, April 19 for a June letting. Here is one of the sign plans, showing the initial and final iterations of the I-95 North APL sign for the Loop interchange:


More new photos and sign plans can be found on my Future I-295, NC Future Interstates page:
https://malmeroads.net/ncfutints/fut295.html

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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #238 on: April 23, 2022, 02:26:06 PM »

I would have preferred they sign the entire road as Interstate 295 from the get-go. Then again, Iím not in charge of the 295 project.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #239 on: April 23, 2022, 03:37:55 PM »

I would have preferred they sign the entire road as Interstate 295 from the get-go. Then again, Iím not in charge of the 295 project.
Not sure why this segment canít be immediately. It will connect to I-95 upon opening.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #240 on: May 13, 2022, 12:14:16 PM »

Latest NCDOT press release about road closures and new routings as part of I-295/Fayetteville Outer Loop project:
https://www.ncdot.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/2022/2022-05-13-fayetteville-outer-loop-updates.aspx

 


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